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re: Orgeron was also asked if he felt his program was on the rise.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 5:50 pm to TigerLunatik
Posted on 2/10/18 at 5:50 pm to TigerLunatik
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I think you're assuming a lot here. I'm not saying those things can't happen, but you're speaking as if the improvement has already happened. We've heard a lot of this stuff before outside of the QB
Well unless Dave Aranda was lying his arse off (which he has been known to do) about Fehoko, Shelvin, Travez Moore and Jarrell Cherry, it will be an improved line. I have seen Rashard Lawrence play and he will be back after getting his first start last year.
Greedy will also be back for his second season as a starter.
Devin White will also be back after getting his first start last season.
The O-line started two true freshmen the majority of last season. Those guys will be back along with Badara Traore who is a huge OT with a lot of starting experience.
The 30+ freshmen besides the 12 that started will be veterans next season.
A "lyin Dave" quote:
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Have you ever had a defense where you have to play so many young guys?
No (laughs).
What has that been like to have to weave in so many guys who haven’t played Division I football before?
I remember talking to Pete and saying how we’re growing up in front of everybody. Just the maturity, running to the ball, the maturity it takes to finish a play or a game, to prepare for whoever you’re playing. Those are all things that take maturity. We’ve learned that throughout the year. I would like if we could go back to have that at the beginning of the year, but that was not the case. I give a lot of credit to the coaches and Coach O for that.
https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/sports/lsu/article_b3f7899c-ecb7-11e7-9dfe-db83b0492711.html
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Posted on 2/10/18 at 6:11 pm to SammyTiger
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Also which 12 freshmen started? I remeber
Charles, Ingram, carter on offense
Slept, Greedy, Taylor and Chaisson on defense
And I guess You can count 2 kickers and the punter but that’s still 10 including RS Freshmen. Who am I missing?
(This is for players who have started for the first time this season only and does not include players who spell the starters).
* Twenty-one Tigers have earned starts for the first time so far this season: Through the first seven games:
DE Ed Alexander, Sophomore
RB Nick Brossette, Junior
OG Garrett Brumfield, Junior
TE/F Tory Carter, True freshman
RG Saahdiq Charles, True freshman
LB K'Lavon Chaisson, True freshman
WR Drake Davis, Sophomore
S Grant Delpit, True freshman
WR Derrick Dillon, Sophomore
OL Ed Ingram, True freshman
DE Rashard Lawrence, Sophomore
DE Glen Logan, RS Freshman
OL Adrian Magee, Sophomore
S Eric Monroe, RS Freshman
TE Jamal Pettigrew, RS Freshman
WR JaCoby Stevens, True freshman
WR Stephen Sullivan, Sophomore
LB Tyler Taylor, True freshman
Nickel Kary Vincent Jr., True freshman
CB Andraez Williams, RS Freshman
LB Devin White, Sophomore
8 True Freshmen
4 RS Freshmen
7 Sophomores
2 Juniors
Posted on 2/10/18 at 6:17 pm to Tiger Ree
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Find a post I have made in the last four months where I have said that. The one time I can think of that I briefly mentioned it was when telling someone that "College Football at Sports-Reference" does include his IHC record.
Great. We're on the same page then. Ed's career Head Coaching record was 10-25 (.29% win pct) prior to becoming LSU's Head Coach.
Since it obviously wasn't his past career head coaching record, what qualified Orgeron to land the head coaching job at a Top 15 P5 Program is a valid concern.
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Would rather do neither if it's okay with you. I don't think I can take any more of your phony numbers or you practicing fuzzy math again.
Well these are "real" numbers that you posted which unfortunately represent our HC....
Career Record: 6 Years, 31-33
Posted on 2/10/18 at 6:22 pm to UpToPar
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1. 2016 was the 2nd best recruiting class in the country. The fact that Greedy is a great player and was the 4th best DB we signed that year shows just how great that class was.
If you listed the best players on LSU's team, where would Greedy be listed? Behind Devin, Rashard, Fehoko, Giles and Brennan?
Probably not huh? He is in the top 3, top 4 at the very least. So him being ranked as the 16th best player in the 2016 class was correct? The 16th best recruit is NOW one of the top 3 or four players on the whole team? Sounds like a swing and miss to me.
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2. You conveniently failed to mention that 2 of the DBs ahead of him in that class didn't play a down of football for LSU last year and the 3rd plays a different position
Without looking at the list again, how would this contradict that the recruiting services were WRONG when it came to how Greedy was rated?
Posted on 2/10/18 at 6:23 pm to Tiger in Tampa
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It must be exhausting coming here every day
Believe it or not, sometimes I just enjoy arguing with idiots. It helps pass the time.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 6:27 pm to Genestealer55
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We were also a play or 2 away from losing to Auburn Florida and freaking Syracuse. What an idiot
Why don't you just go follow some other team if you are so miserable..........
Posted on 2/10/18 at 6:32 pm to Tiger Ree
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Without looking at the list again, how would this contradict that the recruiting services were WRONG when it came to how Greedy was rated?
Because you’re suggesting that he’s better than the three other DBs ranked ahead of him in that class. That very well might be true, but there’s no way to know that at least as to Fulton and Savion. It’s not like Greedy was a Mo Claiborne or Matthieu situation. He was a 4 star and the number 20 DB in the nation. Was he underrated? Probably, but it’s not like the recruiting services completely whiffed.
There are much better examples of the recruiting services getting it wrong, but those outliers don’t show that recruiting rankings are useless as a whole. They are going to get some wrong, but they are going to be right more than they’re wrong.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 6:33 pm to LSUbase13
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Any LSU fan that believes this nonsense should compare the current program to Georgia.
Now, which of the two do you think are truly "on the rise"?
Didn't watch college football at all last year huh? Go look at Kirby's first season at Georgia and see how happy you would have been.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 6:39 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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We're one play away from winning 10 games
And that is the difference in coaching to a win , and coaching to a loss
Great coaches win almost all those games
as Bestbank Tiger said we are also three plays away from
losing 2 more games
Posted on 2/10/18 at 6:39 pm to SammyTiger
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And I guess You can count 2 kickers and the punter but that’s still 10 including RS Freshmen. Who am I missing?
My first response to this post contained information from LSUSports.net. This was also with the info from that article.
This is also after the first SEVEN games so the numbers in the previous post and this one may have increased by season's end.
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Here is some info from the LSU website:
https://www.lsusports.net/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=211151291
this is about true freshmen and doesn't take into account the redshirt freshmen.
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True Freshmen Continue to Play Big Roles at LSU
* So far this season, 20 true freshmen have played for the Tigers, which is tied for the most in the nation after seven weeks of the season.
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* With Charles' start against BYU, he became the first true freshman to start a season opener on the offensive line since at least World War II.
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* LSU's eight true freshmen starters in 2017 are the most since at least 2005
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* The four true freshmen (Charles, Chaisson, Taylor and Delpit) who started the season opener matched the total number between 2000-16.
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* The four true freshmen starters were the most in the nation to start the 2017 season
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* Against BYU, 17 true freshmen saw action for the most by an LSU team in a season opener since at least 1995.
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* The following is a list of true freshmen who have played this season: QB Myles Brennan, TE/F Tory Carter, LB K’Lavon Chaisson, RG Saahdiq Charles, OG Austin Deculus, FS Grant Delpit, RB Clyde Edwards-Helaire, DE Neil Farrell Jr., S Todd Harris Jr., OG Ed Ingram, WR Justin Jefferson, CB Jontre Kirklin, WR Racey McMath, WR Mannie Netherly, LB Jacob Phillips, LB Patrick Queen, WR JaCoby Stevens, LB Tyler Taylor, DE Justin Thomas, CB Kary Vincent Jr.
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Twenty-One First-Time Starters So Far in 2017
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Most True Freshmen Starters by Year Since 2005
2017
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Posted on 2/10/18 at 6:47 pm to OPTIMAX CAT
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Since it obviously wasn't his past career head coaching record, what qualified Orgeron to land the head coaching job at a Top 15 P5 Program is a valid concern.
If you followed LSU football at all you would realize that he was the interim head coach for 8 games during the 2016 season. He went 6-2 to go along with his 5-2 record at USC. He brought both teams from being unranked to ranked and in bowl games.
If you need to know anything else LSU don't hesitate to ask.
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Career Record: 6 Years, 31-33
Seriously, who the frick cares? The only thing that matters is what he does at LSU.
This post was edited on 2/10/18 at 6:59 pm
Posted on 2/10/18 at 6:49 pm to Tiger Ree
Absolutely
Posted on 2/10/18 at 7:09 pm to Tiger Ree
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Well, he still did what people wanted in order for them to feel good. It didn't work out, shite happens. A lot of people get fired or run off a lot quicker than Canada was.
Ok, I’ll play...what elite coach hires who the “people want”? This is not a good defense of O...instead, it’s an indictment.
This post was edited on 2/10/18 at 7:11 pm
Posted on 2/10/18 at 7:52 pm to Tiger in Tampa
BOOM!
Posted on 2/10/18 at 8:02 pm to Tiger in Tampa
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Ok, I’ll play...what elite coach hires who the “people want”? This is not a good defense of O...instead, it’s an indictment.
I may not have used the best wordage. And it isn't an indictment at all. Go back to my post and look at the two points made by the poster I was responding to and it should be fairly easy to figure it out.
I didn't mean to insinuate that Eaux hired Canada because the fans wanted him to hire Canada. I meant to convey that Eaux did the exact thing the guy said the people wanted in regards to the OC hire and unfortunately it didn't work out.
That's all
Posted on 2/10/18 at 8:12 pm to Tiger Ree
Why do you love O? Just curious. I can tell you with ease why I hate him.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 8:16 pm to Tiger Ree
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Tiger Ree
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Well unless Dave Aranda was lying his arse off (which he has been known to do)
It has begun. The smear campaign against Aranda is about to start. I knew Ed wasn't gonna be happy with the popularity and respect Aranda has from everyone.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 9:02 pm to Tiger Ree
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If you followed LSU football at all you would realize that he was the interim head coach for 8 games during the 2016 season. He went 6-2 to go along with his 5-2 record at USC. He brought both teams from being unranked to ranked and in bowl games.
WOW.... Now, you're using his time as interim HC to support your argument.
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Tiger Ree
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Find a post I have made in the last four months where I have said that. The one time I can think of that I briefly mentioned it was when telling someone that "College Football at Sports-Reference" does include his IHC record.
I have been saying for the longest that he is 10-4
You're such a tool & completely full of shite!
Posted on 2/10/18 at 9:14 pm to Soup Sammich
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It has begun. The smear campaign against Aranda is about to start. I knew Ed wasn't gonna be happy with the popularity and respect Aranda has from everyone.
No smear campaign. Just being agreeable with the person I was responding to. He said there was no evidence to suggest that LSU was improving. Well either the poster is lying or Aranda is lying. Since the poster is obviously a Rantard Genius that means Aranda must be lying.
Why would Aranda think he knows more about defense and the players on the team than some jerkoff, oops I mean genius, on the Rant.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 9:20 pm to OPTIMAX CAT
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WOW.... Now, you're using his time as interim HC to support your argument.
I was responding to some idiot who had no clue why Coach Eaux was hired since he had not done very good at Ole Miss over a decade ago.
I was not using it to support an argument. I was explaining to the moron why LSU hired him. How better to judge a possible future employee than to see them perform the job? Pretty simple actually. Well, pretty simple for everyone except the Tards.
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You're such a tool & completely full of shite!
Prove it or shut the frick up. find a post where I said it. Prove me wrong or quit being a tool.
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