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re: Orgeron did better in his first season than Saban did in his 3rd?
Posted on 4/26/18 at 1:06 pm to ThePaleHorse
Posted on 4/26/18 at 1:06 pm to ThePaleHorse
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I hope this team gets better and better so you have something to be happy about.
thats all anyone who supports Orgeron has: hope.
meanwhile, people who are skeptical of Orgeron have:
-his entire Ole Miss career
-the fact that no one offered him a head coaching job for a decade until Alleva did in 2016
- the fact that his interim stint at USC and LSU featured all of 1 win over a top 25 team, Louisville
- the fact that he got shut out against Bama and held to 10 points, at home, vs UF
- and again, because it bears repeating the first 30 point loss to mississippi state, everthe first loss to a Sun Belt team in 36 tries
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Posted on 4/26/18 at 1:08 pm to RxHunter
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Derek must think that he has a chance to be the new AD and posted this stuff.
I wouldn't rule him out with F. King in charge.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 1:09 pm to Dave England
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the fact that his interim stint at USC and LSU featured all of 1 win over a top 25 team, Louisville
He was actually hired as the full time coach before that game. No interim tag.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 1:09 pm to ThePaleHorse
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The O-haters mostly are making things up and using it as a basis for a debate. Its moronic
What's an example of this?
Posted on 4/26/18 at 1:13 pm to Dave England
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If O drops the ball on the 2019 class, which is looking more and more likely, that's two years of sub-par classes, i.e. half of your team down the line. That is a lot for a new coach to overcome.
I think we need a little context here as well. Last years class was sub par relative to what we’ve been getting since basically 2001. But it’s still top 15-18 so there’s talent there.
Now yes it’s starting to look like we might get raided like no year since maybe Pre DiNardo but it would be shocking if they don’t finish in the top 15 at least.
There’s no doubt it would signify a decline but again the right hire can roll on and land an elite class and coach up the talent that is here.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 1:19 pm to TigerLunatik
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the fact that his interim stint at USC and LSU featured all of 1 win over a top 25 team, Louisville
He beat Stanford at USC they were top 10 maybe 5
Posted on 4/26/18 at 1:20 pm to H-Town Tiger
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If O drops the ball on the 2019 class, which is looking more and more likely, that's two years of sub-par classes, i.e. half of your team down the line. That is a lot for a new coach to overcome.
The 2018 class addressed some needs. The problem is it also created needs.
Orgeron and LSU need a well-rounded 2019 haul to steady the ship. If they don't get that they are going to be constantly battling to "fix" needs each cycle, which will continue to create needs at other positions.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 1:23 pm to boxcar willie
Posted on 4/26/18 at 1:23 pm to Dave England
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Some of us knew he would be a disaster before he was hired and his time as both interim and head coach have done nothing to dispel that notion.
do you think 9-4 was a disastrous season? It's not good, it's not great but it is better than the greatest recruiter of all times record at LSU in his not 1st, not 2nd, BUT 3RD season at LSU. It's not like DiNardo had left the cupboard bare. LSU lost 0-31 to Bama that year, in Tiger stadium btw, while Dennis Francione was the HC. Those weren't the days when Bama was some kind of powerhouse team either.
But forget about all that. Is 9-4 a disatrous season in the very first season of a new HC?
Posted on 4/26/18 at 1:26 pm to DBU
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This is satire, right? Because no one in their right mind actually thinks O is even in the same universe as Saban.
never said he was
Posted on 4/26/18 at 1:27 pm to BilJ
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to be fair, those names you listed (Sabes, Carroll, and Stoops) are among some of the greats of all time.
I did say if you make the right hire but ok those are extremes that won titles. Go back to DiNardo, he’s not even a good coach and still was 10-2 his 2nd year after we had 6 consecutive losing seasons and iirc had Auburn won the Iron Bowl we would have gone to Atlanta.
I just looked up UGA to see where they were before Richt, but see Goffs last 3 years were 5-6, 6-4-1, 6-6 and Jim Donnan went 10-2 and finished top 10 his 2nd year
This post was edited on 4/26/18 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 4/26/18 at 1:32 pm to boxcar willie
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But forget about all that. Is 9-4 a disatrous season in the very first season of a new HC?
On the surface one would tend to say no. But the context matters.
It matters that 5 HCs on the schedule ended up fired. It matters that two of our losses were historically bad losses.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 1:34 pm to boxcar willie
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do you think 9-4 was a disastrous season? It's not good, it's not great but it is better than the greatest recruiter of all times record at LSU in his not 1st, not 2nd, BUT 3RD season at LSU.
No last year was not a disaster a la DiNardo’s last year but all things are relative. You can keep making this comparison and ignoring all context to your hearts content but it doesn’t change reality
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It's not like DiNardo had left the cupboard bare
The 2001 draft, that’s after Sabans first year so DiNardo recruits LSU had 3 guys drafted the highest was the 6th round. LSU will always have some good players but the roster wasn’t complete by any means and was not as good as last year.
This post was edited on 4/26/18 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 4/26/18 at 1:59 pm to TigerLunatik
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I mean, there's a thread on the first page claiming that O is a better coach than Saban was at LSU
Yeah, that’s this very thread.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 2:02 pm to Dave England
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I think most people who are unhappy with O would be thrilled to be proved wrong and O somehow defy all reasonable expectations and right the program into a powerhouse competing for championships.
some would, some wouldn't, but glad to hear you are on board
Posted on 4/26/18 at 2:03 pm to boxcar willie
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do you think 9-4 was a disastrous season? It's not good, it's not great but it is better than the greatest recruiter of all times record at LSU in his not 1st, not 2nd, BUT 3RD season at LSU
Boxcar,
You can’t possibly be so stupid to think that O is a better coach than Saban, at least I hope not.
So, just in case we have been misinterpreting your earlier posts, can you state, unequivocally, yes or no...do you think Ed Orgeron is a better coach than Nick Saban?
Posted on 4/26/18 at 2:11 pm to Goldrush25
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The fans that aren't willing to make a prediction and and hold this regime accountable are the ones that'll disappear and act like they never supported him to begin with.
I don't see any point in making a prediction, what does that do? What will happen will happen and we will watch. And I don't know where you get off saying that the people that aren't condemning him and calling him a disaster just yet are not going to hold the regime accountable. and I'm not going to disappear, why would I? I'll be right here supporting the next coach, the program, arguing with you same idiots to give him a legitimate chance before writing him off as a disasterous hire.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 2:14 pm to boxcar willie
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do you think 9-4 was a disastrous season?
Without a doubt, especially when you consider that it contains a THIRTY POINT LOSS TO STATE and a LOSS TO TROY. That is an indisputable disaster. Just because Saban happened to have a worse record 15 years ago doesn't change that.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 2:19 pm to BilJ
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I would prefer he prove me wrong and I eat endless amounts of crow vs. the possible rebuild we're facing in the wake of the damage he'll have done to the program by the time he's ousted
just to entertain your world for a moment. What if we did fire coach O right now, do you think that would be a good move for the program? You think that would be looked at as a good move around the country? What about the financial hit to the program? You think recruits around the country are going to say that that is the type program they want to play for? One that fires a coach after a 9-4 season his first year and is well liked by his players? Are you a stupid person?
Posted on 4/26/18 at 2:19 pm to boxcar willie
quote:is this your version of when a kid sticks his finger an inch from his brothers face and yells “I’m not touching you!” ?
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This is satire, right? Because no one in their right mind actually thinks O is even in the same universe as Saban.
never said he was
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