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re: Orgeron did better in his first season than Saban did in his 3rd?
Posted on 4/26/18 at 2:19 pm to boxcar willie
Posted on 4/26/18 at 2:19 pm to boxcar willie
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I don't see any point in making a prediction, what does that do?
It sets a standard by which you'll hold this regime accountable.
If you think they'll be good and you predict a 10-2 record, if they don't achieve that then they've underperformed and blame should be assigned. People willing to assign blame where it's due will make a prediction. It demonstrates a willingness to admit you're wrong about how you see this regime.
Those that refuse to make a prediction will just excuse whatever happens. The O supporters generally have little belief in his ability or you'd make a prediction, at least a range.
This post was edited on 4/26/18 at 2:31 pm
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Posted on 4/26/18 at 2:22 pm to DBU
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This is satire, right? Because no one in their right mind actually thinks O is even in the same universe as Saban.
never said he was
is this your version of when a kid sticks his finger an inch from his brothers face and yells “I’m not touching you!” ?
This post was edited on 4/26/18 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 4/26/18 at 2:24 pm to BilJ
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if we're a 6-7 win team, Bama, UGA and A&M may feast. If you don't fire Ed after that, they can basically say you're signing up to play for a guy who at most has one year left
now finally some sensible talk. IF we go 6-7 and don't fire O recruiting is going to suffer big time.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 2:29 pm to Dave England
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If O drops the ball on the 2019 class, which is looking more and more likely, t
why are you saying that? You should go to the recruiting board and start a thread about that with your reasons and what you are seeing. I follow recruiting and am not following you on that and want to know. Haven't seen it on the recruiting board.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 2:30 pm to BilJ
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f you don't fire Ed after that, they can basically say you're signing up to play for a guy who at most has one year left.
Imagine what is being said about O to recruits now, as it is. But hey, as the topic of this thread points out, it might just work out. There's always hope. He could do as well as Saban here. We've taken our life's savings and bet it all on Ole Miss's worst coach in history. Wheee!
Posted on 4/26/18 at 2:36 pm to Dave England
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hats all anyone who supports Orgeron has: hope.
that's all you have with any coach you hire. You make the best hire you think you can make at the time and sit back and watch. You might not like the hire or you may love another hire but you still have to see how it works out. You may think the odds are better on one than the other but you still have to wait and see. Even aTm with their $75 million dollar coach has to hope it works out. You may like their odds better but there are no guarantees on hiring a coach.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 2:39 pm to memphis tiger
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Yeah, that’s this very thread.
I'm not an O lover. I've just been observing for the past couple years.
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I mean, there's a thread on the first page claiming that O is a better coach than Saban was at LSU
Ya see, thats not what the OP says. It only speaks of their records.
Look I dont mind you speaking your opinion or whether you like the coach or not, but dam say something thats not made up.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 2:41 pm to ThePaleHorse
Actually, I posted that and if that's not what OP is at the very least implying, what is it saying?
Posted on 4/26/18 at 2:41 pm to boxcar willie
Well, that’s it. You’ve convinced me. Ed Orgeron is a better coach than Nick Saban.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 2:46 pm to memphis tiger
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an you state, unequivocally, yes or no...do you think Ed Orgeron is a better coach than Nick Saban?
really? do I really have to answer that?
Sabans without a doubt the greatest football recruiter of all time and right in there with the top 20 coaches in the country even subtracting out recruiting. Being that recruiting is the most important part of being a college football coach, that makes him the best college coach in the country.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 2:46 pm to TigerLunatik
Just telling you what I see from a totally unbiased stance.
Lunatik, I will say that for the most part you arent way off the wall like some people. But the O-bashers are the worst of this site...IMO.
Thats not what he said. smh
Now I dont know the guy... but I hope he doesnt think Orgeron is better than Saban. I think he was just throwing it in your face, and those that are saying the program is a disaster. The ironic truth, is still the truth.
To me it was an awesome post. For many reasons that are not that Orgeron is better than Saban (which is ridiculous).
Lunatik, I will say that for the most part you arent way off the wall like some people. But the O-bashers are the worst of this site...IMO.
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there's a thread on the first page claiming that O is a better coach than Saban was at LSU.
Thats not what he said. smh
Now I dont know the guy... but I hope he doesnt think Orgeron is better than Saban. I think he was just throwing it in your face, and those that are saying the program is a disaster. The ironic truth, is still the truth.
To me it was an awesome post. For many reasons that are not that Orgeron is better than Saban (which is ridiculous).
Posted on 4/26/18 at 2:47 pm to boxcar willie
O had what Les and Saban built.
Saban took over crap.
Saban took over crap.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 2:47 pm to TigerLunatik
Yes, I was just replying to his sarcasm.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 2:52 pm to H-Town Tiger
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The 2001 draft, that’s after Sabans first year so DiNardo recruits LSU had 3 guys drafted the highest was the 6th
but then in the 2002 draft (which would be right after the 2001 season) LSU had 5 drafted, then 4 in 2003, and 7 in 2004. I believe those would all be players recruited by Dinardo. The cupboard wasn't bare.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 2:52 pm to bayou85
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Saban took over crap.
bull, He took over a pretty solid roster of players. NOt where we are now, but definitely not crap. Also remember Bama was no powerhouse in those days. So he never had to deal with the power house that Bama would become (once he built them into that, along with some national media help and SEC officials help)
This post was edited on 4/26/18 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 4/26/18 at 2:53 pm to ThePaleHorse
You right as a matter of fact, it didn't say better. He said they were equal basically.
I appreciate the kind words and I try not to get too ridiculous, but the comparisons between O and Saban drive me crazy because the situations they took over were so vastly different on so many levels. I tend to use a bit of hyperbole when I get frustrated.
Eta: Had to replace to with too
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I will say that for the most part you arent way off the wall like some people.
I appreciate the kind words and I try not to get too ridiculous, but the comparisons between O and Saban drive me crazy because the situations they took over were so vastly different on so many levels. I tend to use a bit of hyperbole when I get frustrated.
Eta: Had to replace to with too
This post was edited on 4/26/18 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 4/26/18 at 2:57 pm to Goldrush25
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What's an example of this?
I gave 3 or 4 examples in my first post of this mini-thread.
Look, I'm shouldnt attack you guys because I dont totally dissagree with you. But its easier to agree with you if you say things that are a little closer to reality instead of speculating.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 2:59 pm to TigerLunatik
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comparisons between O and Saban drive me crazy
OP was just trying to stir up crap....which worked.
And created all this fun stuff for us while we should be working.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 3:01 pm to ThePaleHorse
what exactly have you seen people make up about O?
Posted on 4/26/18 at 3:03 pm to Dave England
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hats all anyone who supports Orgeron has: hope.
meanwhile, people who are skeptical of Orgeron have:
-his entire Ole Miss career
-the fact that no one offered him a head coaching job for a decade until Alleva did in 2016
- the fact that his interim stint at USC and LSU featured all of 1 win over a top 25 team, Louisville
- the fact that he got shut out against Bama and held to 10 points, at home, vs UF
- and again, because it bears repeating the first 30 point loss to mississippi state, everthe first loss to a Sun Belt team in 36 tries
Dave....I'm proud of ya. Now this is some reality I can hang my hat on.
Agreed, this is a whole lot to be skeptical about. I for one am extremely nervous for our football team, but I'm also hoping he defies the skeptics.
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