re: Orgeron deserves time to prove himself

O has 2 Power 5 wins worth a shite in nearly 2 seasons. He deserves absolutely nothing in the form of breathing room.

Beating an overrated Louisville and an Auburn Team that found a way to blow a 21 point lead are okays good wins. Every other win he had was against utterly shitty teams. He had 1 win against an SEC team that didn’t fire its coach last season.

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No he doesn't.

He was specifically hired to take LSU to the next level immediately.

He told the team they'd be in the CFP in 2017.

He has already failed by his own standards.

My second batch of all caps today...THIS IS NOT A REBUILD

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All of the above is pure bullshite. Did you read the article. It was well thought out, coherent and reasonable. Unlike that tripe you posted.

No one expected Orgeron to turn around the program and get it to the next level immediately. The program was in decline. If you don't think their was a severe deficit on the both lines you're not very smart.
He promised he would build a championship program fast. Notice the word "build".
Which player on our roster was an all SEC level quarterback? Other than Chark, who was returning at receiver with significant SEC experience? Which of our senior defensive or offensive lineman were selected in the first 4 rounds of the NFL draft last year?
Miles did an absolutely crappy job of roster management.
I'm skeptical of Orgeron's ability to get us to the next level but it does appear that he has momentum in recruiting. You have to have the "Jimmys and Joes". We'll see if Ensmingers offense can compliment Aranda's defense.

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What I actually mean is how does someone who almost everybody believes never should have been the late November 2016 surprise/panic hire of Tigers athletic director Joe "The Search" Alleva keep on keeping on when most of the universe thinks his LSU career clock is rapidly ticking toward a hasty ending?

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I would imagine this is highly motivating. That's how someone manages to keep on keeping on.

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A coach with a 15-6 overall and 10-4 record in the SEC

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Technically, Orgeron is starting his second full season

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As with most all Cheerio propaganda, above does not compute.
Conveniently leaves out Ole Miss record.
The whole article sounds like a Ree post.

It's like they all read from the same script.

Every thought that pops into your head.......Don’t post them.

He had time at Ole Miss to prove himself.

What happened there?

This is his 3rd season, 3 too many. Can’t wait for the Aranda Era.

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Change of culture takes time. A bit of time is required to settle in a new system and program. Does anyone not see this happening right now? T

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I do. We used to demand excellence. Now, the culture is slowing becoming one of mediocrity and ignorance, combined with a pathetic arrogance. The fab base is slowing accepting this. Congrats, swamp trash. Yaw yaw!

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Firing coaches midseason is trashy and we can't get into all that BS.

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We’re already there.


LSU plays five teams before the bye that are even halfway decent. Miami, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, MSU.

I would argue if he is 1-4 in those games he should be fired immediately. At that point we would clearly be going backward and not a single reasonable person would be able to make any rational argument otherwise.

Similar to Alleva’s bullshite argument that the players deserved better than Miles was giving them in September after last second losses to two top 10 level teams, the school would owe it to the players to remove an ineffective and burdensome leader that was clearly keeping the team from reaching its potential.


I don’t think that will happen because of those five games all are winnable and three are games we SHOULD win.

But to say that it can’t or shouldn’t is disingenuous and ill informed.



It is easy in the offseason to talk about records like 7-5 and say well that isn’t THAT bad, but that is ignoring the hysteria that will start taking hold as the losses start piling up on a weekly basis.

Particularly, if O can’t even his record against MSU and we are embarrassed AGAIN by a first year head coach in Tiger Stadium going into a two week break before Alabama, fans are going to be very very vocal about their displeasure for all the country to hear on national television.

It will be difficult to spin this stupid rebuild narrative when we aren’t talking in general but actually seeing the purple and gold getting beat by MSU or Felipe Franks and Mullen (again).


The bottom line is we are paying a DC head coach money because he is that fricking good and we have our best and most well trained QB we’ve had perhaps since Jimbo was on campus with what should be a great LSU defense.

If things go off the rails that early in the season there is nowhere else to point the finger other than O and there would be no denying his hiring was a huge mistake.

There would be no reason not to give Aranda the opportunity at that point to see if he could be the leader we are already practically paying him to be. O was given the chance to “interview on the job”, and Aranda is at least as deserving of that same shot imo.


Even if he goes 2-3 in those games, another loss to Alabama would put us at 5-4 and at that point his only remaining game in Tiger Stadium would be against Rice, not giving him an opportunity to win back the home crowd with a big win.

If he is 7-4 going into College Station against Jimbo Fisher I believe that will be a must win game for him.

Allowing Jimbo Fisher to snap the seven game win streak in Year 1 sending us to an Independence Bowl type bowl would again make it simply undeniable that we are moving backward, and very quickly.


With the 2019 season as our last shot with an Urban Meyer trained trained QB and perhaps Aranda, it would be an insult to the players to say “Well let’s give him one more shot to prove he isn’t really this bad” after THREE seasons in which we failed to meet our potential under his watch (dropping UF and missing the Sugar Bowl in 16, a loss to a Sun Belt team costing us 10 wins and likely another NY6 Bowl in 17, and what would amount to a disastrous 18 season).


7-5 would send him packing and rightfully so.

I personally think 8-4 should as well because I believe in how talented the players on this team are, unlike the apologists, and how much they could achieve given the quality coaching they deserve.

An LSU coach has lost more than three regular season games only three times since 2001.

2002
2008
2014

Those three teams had disasters at the QB position and also mediocre to bad defenses as well.

If this team with an Aranda D and Meyer QB is added to that list it would be an epic failure by the head coach and combined with his failures in his first two seasons in 16 and 17 should prove he isn’t up to the job he is now holding.

But I realize that isn’t likely and it will be spun to give him “one more chance”

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He will get 2018 and 2019 and then judgment. I hope he gets us turned back to being a contender in the SEC.

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He won't see the end of 2018 if he loses to Miami with no Offensive Production/Points and the season spirals downward afterwards.

Frick all that "Competing" and "Contending" in the SEC. That's classic MA.

How about first in the SEC West and playing Georgia in the SEC Title game? How about Winning a Championship?

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He will get 2018 and 2019 and then judgment. I hope he gets us turned back to being a contender in the SEC.

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No. Not a contender. A championship team.


See, this is where the skeptics like myself truly begin to understand the narratives.

Using ambiguous terms like “contender” and “competitive” leave room for spin and lack clear goals and standards.


LSU should be a championship WINNING program. Period. We are more than capable of it, and have just as many resources as anyone else to achieve it.


From 2001 to 2011 we won championships in four seasons, five including winning the West in 2005.

The previous coach was effectively fired after four seasons of not reaching that standard after the most successful seven year stretch in school history.


If O can’t reach that standard in 3.5 years there is no question he should be relieved of his command no matter how “competitive” a “contender” we convince ourselves he seems to be.


Even the die hard Miles supporters like myself openly admitted that anything less than winning the West in 2016 should have gotten him fired.

Because that WAS the standard back then and the reason he was fired no matter how much the apologists now try to claim it wasn’t.


The “needs more time” isn’t just a misleading narrative, it is a dishonest one.

The historical fact is that more time rarely leads to better results, but the more time one goes without winning a championship the less likely it is to ever happen.