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re: Orgeron: defense will be 4-3, he will be more involved
Posted on 2/2/21 at 11:54 am to sicboy
Posted on 2/2/21 at 11:54 am to sicboy
O has shown the ability to adapt and change, but he also seems to revert back to his bad instincts as well. I'm hoping there's not much to those statements, but this is less than encouraging.
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Posted on 2/2/21 at 11:55 am to sicboy
There is a difference between "more involved" meaning he will be in on more of the meetings, film work, practice vs. "more involved" in the play calling on game day. Which is it will be key.
If the play calls are having to run through O before going out to the players then there might be an issue. If O if just going to be "more involved" in terms of overseeing everything on that side of the ball (as opposed to spending time overseeing the offense...where he has ZERO experience) then that might be ok.
Either way, it is probably something O shouldn't have said at a press conf. where every statement is overanalyzed. Then again, when has that ever stopped him before
If the play calls are having to run through O before going out to the players then there might be an issue. If O if just going to be "more involved" in terms of overseeing everything on that side of the ball (as opposed to spending time overseeing the offense...where he has ZERO experience) then that might be ok.
Either way, it is probably something O shouldn't have said at a press conf. where every statement is overanalyzed. Then again, when has that ever stopped him before
Posted on 2/2/21 at 11:55 am to Ripley
Why didn’t O step in when the defense was historically bad last year? I believe he did and it made no difference
Posted on 2/2/21 at 11:55 am to Ripley
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The erroneous perspective this board is taking is that this is like Les Miles meddling in the Offense. A dinosaur wanting a dinosaur scheme.
you mean like the scheme O was yearning to return to that got absolutely ate up by modern offenses?
Posted on 2/2/21 at 11:57 am to lsutiger2010
IKR
Posted on 2/2/21 at 11:57 am to LSUAlum2001
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Now we know why this was a difficult hire.
You come work for O, I micro manage, O fire you after one year when he not like Defense. When start?
Posted on 2/2/21 at 11:58 am to SammyTiger
All it has to be is the base, it really means nothing. Surely they’ll run 4-2-5 at times.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 12:08 pm to BilJ
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you mean like the scheme O was yearning to return to that got absolutely ate up by modern offenses?
IMO it wasn’t the scheme.
It was our players’ lack of understanding the scheme and mental discipline.
That’s a teaching issue - a major facet of coaching that supposedly Daronte Jones is great at.
Pelini didn’t put in the time by all accounts.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 12:08 pm to sicboy
It’s amazing how fast I went from feeling like Ed O was doing everything right and being so impressed by him to thinking he’s a complete fricking idiot. Everything the guy says now is stupid and arrogant, complete 180 from where he was in 2017.
From his hiring methodology of going after “coaching lineage” to thinking his involvement is the key to turning things around to the arrogance of calling his shot on hires before they’re remotely close to signing a contract, he’s so dislikable now. I’ll be absolutely shocked if he doesn’t go down in flames this year and next
From his hiring methodology of going after “coaching lineage” to thinking his involvement is the key to turning things around to the arrogance of calling his shot on hires before they’re remotely close to signing a contract, he’s so dislikable now. I’ll be absolutely shocked if he doesn’t go down in flames this year and next
Posted on 2/2/21 at 12:09 pm to sicboy
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Ed Orgeron says he's "going to be more involved with the defense" under Daronte Jones than he was with Bo Pelini. Says he told every guy he interviewed that was the plan.
Uh oh
Posted on 2/2/21 at 12:10 pm to sicboy
I knew this would cause some melting when I heard it
Posted on 2/2/21 at 12:10 pm to Ripley
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So now we want the type of HC everyone used to bitch about Orgeron being - not involved?
No. If we are stuck with O because he pitched Alleva and others on his super coordinator model, then he better hire super coordinators and not meddle. He adds nothing of value, and if anything, will be a hindrance, which is what he has admitted about his time at Ole Miss. This is pretty concerning to say the least.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 12:12 pm to sicboy
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This post was edited on 2/2/21 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 2/2/21 at 12:12 pm to Lou Pai
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He adds nothing of value, and if anything, will be a hindrance
A top DL coach with decades of experience is a hindrance? I have a hard time believing that
Posted on 2/2/21 at 12:13 pm to sicboy
On a related note: If we’re successful, maybe Coach O will be able to get some credit from the fanbase this time unlike 2019 when he just “got lucky”.
This post was edited on 2/2/21 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 2/2/21 at 12:13 pm to sicboy
Smh the village idiot can’t help himself but to meddle in the defense. You would think he learn his lesson about getting involve with his coordinators after the Troy debacle with Matt Canada! Shrimp boat captain resorting to his old habits again that got him fired at Ole Miss
Posted on 2/2/21 at 12:14 pm to Ripley
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On a related note: If we’re successful, maybe Coach O will be able to get some credit from the fanbase for it unlike 2019 when he just “got lucky”.
This thread was an early Christmas for the doom-and-gloom crowd.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 12:15 pm to Ripley
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So now we want the type of HC everyone used to bitch about Orgeron being - not involved?
People bitched about the model of CEO with coordinators doing all the coaching. No one wanted Orgeron to do more coaching, they wanted a different model with a different head coach.
Unfortunately the only way to see success with Orgeron is if two things happen:
- he hires great coordinators
- he gets the frick out of the way
That is why the CEO model is risky.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 12:18 pm to The Pirate King
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A top DL coach with decades of experience is a hindrance? I have a hard time believing that
He admitted this was the case at Ole Miss. He had plenty of experience then too.
He isn't qualified, due to lack of intelligence, to be a coordinator at LSU. He's a rahrah recruiter and DL coach.
NB4 "he's a millionaire national champion, I bet he's smarter than you!". No, he's not. He's a moron just like Les Miles. Lots of rich football coaches are morons. If it wasn't for football, he'd be selling used minivans in Cutoff.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 12:19 pm to bstew3006
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I thought he wanted to be multiple?
You can have 4 man fronts out of 3-4 as well.
It will be. Many 3-4 concepts can be run from a 4-3.
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