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re: Opinion on Coach O
Posted on 7/29/19 at 9:01 am to BayouCowboy
Posted on 7/29/19 at 9:01 am to BayouCowboy
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So you think O has done a good job building the team and has the program moving in the right direction.
I think even the biggest critics would agree that last year was a step in the right direction from 2017. The question remains whether we can take a step forward and build on a good season like last year and have a great season. Nothing meaningful is earned in July.
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Posted on 7/29/19 at 9:03 am to BayouCowboy
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you think O has done a good job building the team and has the program moving in the right direction.
I think this is something we all agree on. The difference is that some of us expect these moves to pay off this year with a record that reflects that. 9-3 won’t cut it. In-game coaching is just as important as all the other elements of building an elite program, and it’s the one thing that O hasn’t proven yet. It’s also what got Miles fired.
10-2 or 11-1 is not an unreasonable expectation in O’s 3rd full year.
This post was edited on 7/29/19 at 9:07 am
Posted on 7/29/19 at 9:06 am to TigerLunatik
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I think Jimbo got tired of fighting the administration there and just checked out. He was looking for an oppurtunity to exit IMO.
I agree and it was not a good look for him despite the circumstances. That's essentially quitting on your team. I'm saying this as someone who wanted Jimbo when Les was fired. That does; however, illustrate the point that it requires the AD working well in concert with the HC for success. At Mich St Saban was an average coach by results. Mark Dantonio has a better win percentage than Saban ever had. When Nick came to LSU he was paired with Emmert and Woodward. That's an AD dream team. Now that Scott's back I think he will help O move the program forward. If he doesn't think O is the right man for the job he will push for a change, but he will give him the support and tools to succeed.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 9:06 am to lsu2006
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The question remains whether we can take a step forward and build on a good season like last year and have a great season.
That next step is SOOOOO MUCH tougher to make than the one made last season. I'm not saying he can't do it. Just making the observation.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 9:08 am to TigerLunatik
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That next step is SOOOOO MUCH tougher to make than the one made last season. I'm not saying he can't do it. Just making the observation.
I’m not disagreeing, but that’s the expectation you have when you become the LSU HC. O said it himself. I’m encouraged by the fact he hasn’t backed away from that.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 9:14 am to 00 Tech Grad
I’m encouraged he hasn’t backed off of it, but him defending the UF and A&M game concerns me. I just hope he isn’t just trying to kick the can down the road. This is the year to make a run. Next year we’ll have the “New QB” narrative.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 9:15 am to BayouCowboy
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That does; however, illustrate the point that it requires the AD working well in concert with the HC for success. At Mich St Saban was an average coach by results. Mark Dantonio has a better win percentage than Saban ever had. When Nick came to LSU he was paired with Emmert and Woodward. That's an AD dream team. Now that Scott's back I think he will help O move the program forward. If he doesn't think O is the right man for the job he will push for a change, but he will give him the support and tools to succeed.
All of this. The best example is Texas. They should be in the CFP every year. They have more resources than any school in the NCAA (3x what Alabama has), but their big oil boosters want to micromanage the program. Everyone has their hand in the cookie jar.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 9:16 am to BayouCowboy
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anything less than 11-1 (10-2 maybe, but I honestly would be disappointed)
the problem is, there are folks ITT claiming 10-2 is SUCCESS. And that will quickly turn to excuses that 9-3 is a great season given whatever circumstances we end up facing throughout the year.
as long as expectations stay high and the goalpost remain in place, i'm content with the LSU program status. (not 'happy')
Posted on 7/29/19 at 9:16 am to BayouCowboy
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t was not a good look for him despite the circumstances. That's essentially quitting on your team.
It was awful. You can't do that at any job, much less one you're getting paid that much for and one where you're responsible for young men. I hope my post didn't insinuate otherwise. If so, it was unintentional.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 9:19 am to Damone
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Those inside linebackers:
Kendall Beckwith
Devin White
Michael Divinity
not to mention we had JUST moved from a 4-3 to 3-4. Why would we have more than 3 MLB's .
Dumbest argument on the rant. But at least he was honest and said 'inside LBs' instead of just linebackers like everyone else does.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 9:19 am to SportTiger1
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the problem is, there are folks ITT claiming 10-2 is SUCCESS.
10-2 is always the benchmark for me. The occasional 9 win season is ok, but there needs to be a division championship or at least a damn tough challenge for one in there sometimes too. I don't mind having realistic expectations. I would love for us to be at Bama's success rate too, but it's unprecedented. Clemson may get there. Time will tell.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 9:21 am to 00 Tech Grad
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9-3 won’t cut it.
barring key injuries i think everyone agrees with this
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In-game coaching is just as important as all the other elements of building an elite program, and it’s the one thing that O hasn’t proven yet.
with the exception of the ND game what blunders has he made? and many supported kicking the fg...i didn't i thought we should have gone for it and if we got stopped they had to go 99 yds to win
Posted on 7/29/19 at 9:22 am to CaptainPanic
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This is the year to make a run. Next year we’ll have the “New QB” narrative.
I agree, but it’s unfortunate that now we have to create narratives to make excuses.
I want the kind of team we had in 2011, who had plenty of excuses to fail but bulldozed teams anyway. That team played most of the season with a backup QB. That’s part of being elite. Screw narratives and excuses.
This post was edited on 7/29/19 at 9:28 am
Posted on 7/29/19 at 9:23 am to 00 Tech Grad
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I think this is something we all agree on. The difference is that some of us expect these moves to pay off this year with a record that reflects that. 9-3 won’t cut it. In-game coaching is just as important as all the other elements of building an elite program, and it’s the one thing that O hasn’t proven yet. It’s also what got Miles fired. 10-2 or 11-1 is not an unreasonable expectation in O’s 3rd full year.
I agree and would say that MOST of us expect that to pay off this year. I really don't see how anyone can lower expectations for this season. Unforseen things can always happen, but I can't wrap my head around this team losing to anyone outside of Bama and I'm counting on us going into Tuscaloosa and punching Bama in the mouth, win or lose.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 9:26 am to TigerLunatik
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It was awful. You can't do that at any job, much less one you're getting paid that much for and one where you're responsible for young men. I hope my post didn't insinuate otherwise. If so, it was unintentional.
No, my response was just my thoughts on the matter. I got what you were saying.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 9:34 am to Topwater Trout
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with the exception of the ND game what blunders has he made? and many supported kicking the fg...i didn't i thought we should have gone for it and if we got stopped they had to go 99 yds to win
I’m not here to bash O, but since you asked I want to point out the in-game coaching that needs to be improved on. It’s mostly a consistency problem. If the coaches approached every game like UGA 2018, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
Every Alabama game. Playing not to get blown out. It’s almost like LSU is the only team that doesn’t bring their A game when playing them. It’s pathetic and must change.
The Florida games: red zone offensive play calling got super conservative.
Troy, obviously, but this has been addressed.
TAmU: not so much because we lost, but because we should never have put them in a position for OT. Goes back to getting conservative.
MSU 2017. I’ve never seen a team quit like that. Thankfully that appears to have been addressed.
ETA: I think the coaches know they have to open it up on offense, and I think they will. The biggest question in my mind is whether O will get conservative after getting punched in the mouth, like after a turnover. Sometimes things just go wrong and you get outplayed. You have to trust your staff and players to keep your foot on the gas.
This post was edited on 7/29/19 at 9:54 am
Posted on 7/29/19 at 9:43 am to Topwater Trout
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barring key injuries
Always has to be a caveat lmao
Posted on 7/29/19 at 9:51 am to Topwater Trout
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with the exception of the ND game what blunders has he made?
Just like with Miles, I don't like the vanilla game plans vs the lesser opponents. I would rather see us get the guys more game reps especially since we've run a new offense every year he's been here. Treat every game the same. The players know when the gameplan is dumbed down what that means. IMO that contributed to the loss at Florida. I think if we had practiced some of that stuff in the games more we may have had more success in Gainesville.
I asked this earlier and didn't get a response, other than Greg McMahon and Pete Jenkins, who has Orgeron identified and hired that has proven on the field to be a good hire? Some continuity on the staff would be nice, especially at WR where we've struggled the most.
Coach O seems determined to recreate the 05 USC offense nearly 15 years later. It seems like he just needs to bring in an offensive mind that runs an offense of today's college game and just let them do their thing. He has yet to do that.
Those are really only 3 things. He's doing a really good job and just a couple of tweaks could have us in the playoffs this upcoming season. It doesn't have to be my suggestions by any means. I'm no expert.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 9:54 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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Ed Orgeron finishing 6th in his 2nd full season is an accomplishment (to sane people). To say it isn't, is silly. Just silly.
Who said it wasn't an accomplishment?
I think some of your brains are being cooked by the summer heat. You guys are making stuff up.
This post was edited on 7/29/19 at 10:00 am
Posted on 7/29/19 at 9:58 am to Damone
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Always has to be a caveat lmao
I know man, these pumpers are pathetic! We should be able to go 15-0 even in an injury-plagued season. I mean, we're LSU for crying out loud!
This post was edited on 7/29/19 at 10:01 am
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