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re: One too many base running mistakes tonight
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:28 am to slackster
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:28 am to slackster
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Kramer waited to see the ball bounce and scoot away, which is the problem. You're flat footed, you shouldn't try to run at that point unless it gets behind him.
No he didn't. If he would have waited for that he would have never left first base because the ball didn't bounce away from the catcher. The ball skipped right into his glove, there was no bounce off the chest protector. Kramer broke when he saw the down angle of the pitch and could tell that the ball would bounce.
Paul Maineiri wants his teams ultra aggressive on the bases. We have been doing that for years. We don't win vs FSU in game 1 if we aren't super aggressive on the bases. We forced them to make defensive plays and they didn't. Last night Kramer and Josh Smith did the exact same thing we did against FSU, the difference was Florida's defense made the throw and catch to get out out twice.
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Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:33 am to Choupique19
I don't have a problem with Smith's decision.
Reading the ball in the dirt is always tricky. The ball always bounces differently. The problem I have is you have duplantis and Deichmann coming up to bat behind you. You gotta know who is batting behind you
Reading the ball in the dirt is always tricky. The ball always bounces differently. The problem I have is you have duplantis and Deichmann coming up to bat behind you. You gotta know who is batting behind you
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:36 am to PaperTiger
Kramer throwing home to advance the runners (on a play he had no chance to make) was a big mistake. On this stage, small mistakes like that are amplified
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:51 am to FulshearTiger
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I also find it amazing how many of you don't understand the difference between trying to steal a base and advance on a wild pitch.
If you're implying that I think he was stealing on the pitch, then you'd be wrong. Anytime you get from first to second on a pitch, it's called stealing, whether you leave when the pitcher raises his leg and throws home, or trys to pick you off, of you wait until a pass ball occurs. It's all called stealing. Amazing how you don't understand that and make stupid assumptions.
he saw the ball was going in the dirt, so he took off. It's called aggressive base running. If the catcher doesn't pick the ball out the dirt cleanly, he doesn't have enough time to get Kramer. hell if he doesnt' make a perfect throw he might not get him even on the clean pick. It was a very bad pitch, and a very lucky clean pick. Kramer saw the terrible pitch, and took off, expecting the catcher to block the ball, not pick it cleanly.
What you wanted him to do was be conservative and wait and see if the ball got past the catcher before going. What Kramer did was taken a chance. the majority of the time, that pitch isnt' cleanly picked. It just so happened to get cleanly picked and a great throw was made. Tip your hat to the catcher and move on. Don't play like those pussies from OSU. Make your own luck and put pressure on the other team to make the perfect plays to get you out on our aggressive base running.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:53 am to MOT
Sometimes the other team makes a good play. Smith getting out was just a good defensive play.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:55 am to LSU Tigershark
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Kramer throwing home to advance the runners (on a play he had no chance to make) was a big mistake. On this stage, small mistakes like that are amplified
agree....this one is more bothersome than trying to steal 2nd on the ball in the dirt. I don't mind aggressive baserunning. Its worked for LSU, but also has as much downside risk.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:58 am to TeddyPadillac
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Anytime you get from first to second on a pitch, it's called stealing, whether you leave when the pitcher raises his leg and throws home, or trys to pick you off, of you wait until a pass ball occurs. It's all called stealing. Amazing how you don't understand that and make stupid assumptions.
If the pitch bounces in the dirt, and the runner advances a base, they do not get credit for a stolen base. Just sayin.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:00 am to TeddyPadillac
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Anytime you get from first to second on a pitch, it's called stealing, whether you leave when the pitcher raises his leg and throws home, or trys to pick you off, of you wait until a pass ball occurs. It's all called stealing.
That is not accurate.
Advances that are credited to some other play are not steal attempts. For example, on a wild pitch or a passed ball, the official scorer must notice whether the runner broke for the next base before the pitch got away.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:05 am to Choupique19
Well sorry for using the word steal in that way.
Doesn't change the fact that what he did wasn't dumb, just aggressive base running. catcher made a great pick and a great throw. Kramer forced him to do that and he did it. I'd want Kramer to do that 10 times out of 10.
Doesn't change the fact that what he did wasn't dumb, just aggressive base running. catcher made a great pick and a great throw. Kramer forced him to do that and he did it. I'd want Kramer to do that 10 times out of 10.
This post was edited on 6/27/17 at 10:07 am
Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:08 am to TeddyPadillac
I don't know if I would say "I want him to do that 10 out of 10 times", but on a Paul Mainieri team, that is exactly what he is coached to do.
I agree that Kramer was doing the exact thing that LSU has been doing all year long, being aggressive on the base paths.
This post was edited on 6/27/17 at 10:13 am
Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:12 am to Choupique19
That pitcher in the outfield put a perfect throw on him.
He gets that 9/10 times.
He gets that 9/10 times.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:13 am to jwall3
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How to win awareness
Seems like someone is paid good money to teach that...
Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:16 am to PaperTiger
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Reading the ball in the dirt is always tricky. The ball always bounces differently. The problem I have is you have duplantis and Deichmann coming up to bat behind you. You gotta know who is batting behind you
They are coached to do that. So either do what the coach asks of you, or you won't have to worry who's up behind you, your arse will be riding the pine.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:16 am to studentsect
A bounced ball is not automatically considered a WP or PB - even if it is not picked cleanly. If the catcher controls it near him and makes a throw the attempt by the runner is considered a steal attempt.
Good decision or bad decision or just their style, it was a steal attempt.
Good decision or bad decision or just their style, it was a steal attempt.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:16 am to Choupique19
It took a perfect throw from a left handed CF to nail Smith.... and he actually didn't quite get him still. I support that type of aggressiveness all day. If the CF was right handed it would have been no contest.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:32 am to dgnx6
Well, he did it wrong. He broke after the ball hit the dirt and was in the catcher's mit. It doesn't appear that we work on it because I have not seen us break on ball in the dirt all year. Ball in the dirt read looks like a delayed steal....when you recognize that the trajectory of the ball will hit the dirt, you go. That means you are running when the ball is about 10 feet in front of the plate. Kramer ran at least a half second later than that.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:34 am to Choupique19
Ideally, you would be right, but Kramer did not break until after the ball hit the dirt and that was the issue with the read.
After he started his break, he was dead either way so he had to pretty much keep running to second.
After he started his break, he was dead either way so he had to pretty much keep running to second.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:39 am to TeddyPadillac
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nytime you get from first to second on a pitch, it's called stealing, whether you leave when the pitcher raises his leg and throws home, or trys to pick you off, of you wait until a pass ball occurs. It's all called stealing. Amazing how you don't understand that and make stupid as
No. When you advanced to second on a passed ball or a wild pitch it is absolutely never referred to as a steal. It is simply called advancing on a wild pitch or a passed ball. So much fail in your post. I guess I should understand the level of intelligence that will come out of the woodwork when LSU is playing in the National Championship. That was my mistake.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:40 am to easy money
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It doesn't appear that we work on it because I have not seen us break on ball in the dirt all year
You must not watch that many games.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:41 am to easy money
I'll concede that I'm not 100% sure on when Kramer broke and when he didn't. I was just commenting that Mainieri expects about 5 or 6 of the guys in his lineup to be breaking for second base on any ball that hits the dirt, no matter where it kicks. Third base shouldn't be treated the same, but if you remember we ran ourselves out of an inning vs Oregon State in the game that we lost when another player, not Kramer, took off for third base on a dirt ball that did not kick far away from the catcher.
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