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re: Once again posters on The Rant were correct in assessment of a player - Lloyd Cushenberry
Posted on 9/20/18 at 12:41 pm to boxcar willie
Posted on 9/20/18 at 12:41 pm to boxcar willie
Isn’t it also hypocritical that a lot of the O-Pumpers who were complaining about people not appreciating a 9-4 season and to lower expectations to what’s fair are now gloating in everyone’s face?
He’ll look at this thread. Didn’t O say lewis was our best OL? That doesn’t seem true at all. Didn’t they start Troare for 2 games before Deculus was inserted? It’s kinda a prick move to start a thread about 1 thing people were wrong about and just burry everything else you’ve been saying.
Tiger Ree refused to even make a prediction.
I always Said I think The defense will be too good to lose 6 games and I even made a thread outlining game by game why we should win 10 games.
I just think the HC should do more than recruit and give pep talks.
He’ll look at this thread. Didn’t O say lewis was our best OL? That doesn’t seem true at all. Didn’t they start Troare for 2 games before Deculus was inserted? It’s kinda a prick move to start a thread about 1 thing people were wrong about and just burry everything else you’ve been saying.
Tiger Ree refused to even make a prediction.
I always Said I think The defense will be too good to lose 6 games and I even made a thread outlining game by game why we should win 10 games.
I just think the HC should do more than recruit and give pep talks.
This post was edited on 9/20/18 at 12:44 pm
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Posted on 9/20/18 at 12:42 pm to boxcar willie
LSU is going to have an a pretty tough OOC opponent 10 out of the next 12 years and I don't think anyone believes that the SEC is going to be as shitty as it was last year any time soon. The schedule is going to be difficult for the next decade.
This year's schedule set up well from the get go with only one tough true road game and we get UGA, State and Bama in a row, all at home in a 4 week period. LSU never leaves BR in that span. It really could not have been laid out any better for LSU to make a run. That's been my stance on it since before the season started when people were acting like 8 wins against this schedule was a great season or somehow equalled a 10 or 11 win season any other year.
This year's schedule set up well from the get go with only one tough true road game and we get UGA, State and Bama in a row, all at home in a 4 week period. LSU never leaves BR in that span. It really could not have been laid out any better for LSU to make a run. That's been my stance on it since before the season started when people were acting like 8 wins against this schedule was a great season or somehow equalled a 10 or 11 win season any other year.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 12:57 pm to SammyTiger
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Tiger Ree refuses to even make a prediction.
why should he?
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I even made a thread outlining game by game why we should win 10 games.
so just an average coach or even a below average one can win 10 games at LSU?
What about a coach that is a complete boob according to some of you guys?
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Isn’t it also hypocritical that a lot of the O-Pumpers who were complaining about people not appreciating a 9-4 season and to lower expectations to what’s fair are now gloating in everyone’s face?
I think the gloating is because of the way they wanted to portray coach O as an idiot. Personnally I didn't see 9-4 being that bad for his first season as Head coach at LSU. Certainly not bad enough to be talking about that he should be fired or implying or flat out saying that he is an idiot and/or an incompetent boob. Of course everyone wants better, that why we have to see how the season plays out. But he doesn't deserve all that shite that he gets from the most vocal fans on this board. Which I am glad that he and the team have the attitude of "frick dem".
Posted on 9/20/18 at 1:02 pm to boxcar willie
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so just an average coach or even a below average one can win 10 games at LSU? What about a coach that is a complete boob according to some of you guys?
Was Les Miles proof of that? Even in his bad years we’l went 10-3 10-3 8-5 9-3
Realistically he went 9-3 with would have been ten and 3 and people (including myself) wanted him fired. I dont Think the McNeese game
Being won would have changed that.
O was pitched as a continueity hire. Keep everything good that had us going 10-3 most years and fix the one thing that was holding us back. Which he didn’t do, and still hasn’t done yet.
To turn around and say “well 9-4 was good for his first year” with an 8 game head start and a very week SEC makes no sense.
This post was edited on 9/20/18 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 9/20/18 at 1:09 pm to TigerLunatik
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his year's schedule set up well from the get go with only one tough true road game and we get UGA, State and Bama in a row, all at home in a 4 week period.
yes at home but all in a row.. But we also have Auburn, Arkansas (regardless of there ranking they have always been tough for us), Florida, and Texas A&M on the road which makes those games all them much tougher wins. You don't consider Texas A&M (or any of those other teams) tough road games? This schedule is ridiculous this year.
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people were acting like 8 wins against this schedule was a great season
I haven't seen that.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 1:15 pm to boxcar willie
Florida won 4 games last year and just got beat by Kentucky. A&M hasn't beaten LSU in 100 years or some ridiculous number and Arkansas is absolutely horrible. If you're going to consider those tough road games then you're going to say LSU has an insanely tough schedule every season.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 1:15 pm to SammyTiger
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To turn around and say “well 9-4 was good for his first year” with an 8 game head start and a very week SEC makes no sense.
what do you mean 8 game head start?
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Was Les Miles proof of that? Even in his bad years we’l went 10-3 10-3 8-5 9-3
it wasn't the 10-3, 10-3, it was the more recent 8-5, 9-3 combined with the 2-2 start of 2016 combined with going 12-10 in his 22 most recent SEC games combined with stubbornly sticking to an outdated offense and showing no signs that he planned to change that. We were stuck in neutral with no plan to get back in gear.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 1:29 pm to boxcar willie
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what do you mean 8 game head start?
Most first year coaches don’t get to run their programs for 8 games before their first year.
O did.
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it wasn't the 10-3, 10-3, it was the more recent 8-5, 9-3 combined with the 2-2 start of 2016 combined with going 12-10 in his 22 most recent SEC games combined with stubbornly sticking to an outdated offense and showing no signs that he planned to change that. We were stuck in neutral with no plan to get back in gear.
So we’re talking about 2 different things
1. Can an average coach win 10 games at LSU. I say Yes. Les won 10 games or more all but 3 times in like 11 seasons. And much of that time it’s hard to say his coaching was really above average.
He won 9 games in 2015 and I think everyone agrees we would have won 10 with a full schedule.
So this brings us to the second point
2. We fired Les because the offense sucked and was holding back the team. Not because everything about the team was bad.
He never Loss more than 8 games and never won less than 10 games with an upperclassmen QB.
So realistically I think The expectations for any coaching hire was to keep the defense going and fix the offense.
We saw half of that last year.
9-4 one of our worst record in since 2015 wasn’t acceptable and I think It was below average coaching. We hired a guy to hire a guy to fix our biggest problem.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 1:29 pm to TigerLunatik
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Florida won 4 games last year and just got beat by Kentucky. A&M hasn't beaten LSU in 100 years or some ridiculous number and Arkansas is absolutely horrible. If you're going to consider those tough road games then you're going to say LSU has an insanely tough schedule every season.
All those games would be much more likely wins for us if we played them at home. Auburn game is harder at Jordan Hare than in BR.
Arkansas, bad as they are, has always played us tough going back many years. They just seem to get up for this game and we come in flat. Going into Fayettesville this game is not a gimme nor is Florida in Gainsville.
PLus you don't think Texas AM in college station is a tough game? I expect them to be fired up with their new coach and to fight like heavy weights.
none of those are give me games and that they are on the road makes them extra tough.
you just can't write those teams off and call them gimmes in any year.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 1:34 pm to boxcar willie
quote:my personal biggest problem was that those 3 losses would be to SEC-W opponents. That's it.
it wasn't the 10-3, 10-3, it was the more recent 8-5, 9-3 combined with the 2-2 start of 2016 combined with going 12-10 in his 22 most recent SEC games combined with stubbornly sticking to an outdated offense and showing no signs that he planned to change that. We were stuck in neutral with no plan to get back in gear.
Win the West and I'll love 'ya. Lose to Arky, OM, and/or MSST on the way to 3rd place West finish and I'll want you tore apart by wild muskrats.
But that's just me.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 1:39 pm to SammyTiger
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1. Can an average coach win 10 games at LSU. I say Yes. Les won 10 games or more all but 3 times in like 11 seasons. And much of that time it’s hard to say his coaching was really above average.
OK if you consider Coach Miles an average coach then I guess we are fricked who ever we bring in as coach.
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2. We fired Les because the offense sucked and was holding back the team. Not because everything about the team was bad.
plus the SEC losses were starting to pile up. But yes mainly the offense and I think that had a lot to do with the losses. But also he had no plan to try to correct that. It seemed he didn't see it as a problem.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 1:41 pm to boxcar willie
Miles has been destroyed on this board for losing to Arkansas and Ole Miss. How many times have people on the board brought up last year being Orgeron's first year as the head coach? People have continuously preached about how overrated Jimbo is and how he sucked last year in an inferior conference with superior talent.
Florida, Arkansas and A&M all have coaches in their first year with the program and none came into a situtation as good as Orgeron did last year and Jimbo (the overrated coach) is at A&M. So, I think LSU should absolutely win those games and win them with relative ease.
The schedule this year is tough, no one will dispute that, but it is set up for LSU to make a run. There are only 2 tough games back to back, State and UGA. There is really no reason that a team with the talent that LSU has shouldn't go 10-2 this season.
Florida, Arkansas and A&M all have coaches in their first year with the program and none came into a situtation as good as Orgeron did last year and Jimbo (the overrated coach) is at A&M. So, I think LSU should absolutely win those games and win them with relative ease.
The schedule this year is tough, no one will dispute that, but it is set up for LSU to make a run. There are only 2 tough games back to back, State and UGA. There is really no reason that a team with the talent that LSU has shouldn't go 10-2 this season.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 1:50 pm to boxcar willie
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OK if you consider Coach Miles an average coach then I guess we are fricked who ever we bring in as coach.
At the end I think he was.
But also your logic makes no sense. My point is that even an average coah can win 10 games at LSU. Ao logically an great coach could win more. So we wouldn’t be fricked no mater who we bring in. Which is my point.
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plus the SEC losses were starting to pile up. But yes mainly the offense and I think that had a lot to do with the losses. But also he had no plan to try to correct that. It seemed he didn't see it as a problem.
Again I don’t think we’re really disagreeing about why we fired Les.
Again the offense was bad and it was holding us back.
Also do you thinknwas average bad or good? Because he won a lot of games even at the end.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 1:52 pm to boxcar willie
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they base it off the records of your opponents without taking into consideration the toughness of their opponents.
Dont over complicate things.
I'll concede we have 4 very tough games this year, but 2 are at home, and 1 was at a neutral site. But its also top heavy. SOS is based on every game
OM, Arky, and UF are not good this year. aTm might turn out to be good, but that wasn't expected prior to the season.
those are half of our SEC games that are below THEIR usual average.
All of those points go into SOS
Posted on 9/20/18 at 2:37 pm to TigerLunatik
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Florida, Arkansas and A&M all have coaches in their first year with the program and none came into a situtation as good as Orgeron did last year and Jimbo (the overrated coach) is at A&M. So, I think LSU should absolutely win those games and win them with relative ease.
2 are on the road, with A&M and FL not being devoid of talent. They have better in coaches in place now. These games are dangerous
This post was edited on 9/20/18 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 9/20/18 at 2:48 pm to boxcar willie
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OK if you consider Coach Miles an average coach then I guess we are fricked who ever we bring in as coach.
loooooooooool
the same guy who bitched about miles going "only" 12-10 in his final 22 conference games (while failing to acknowledge only Saban and Richt did better in this timespan) now is defending miles
Posted on 9/20/18 at 2:51 pm to Lester Earl
"Relative ease" is probably a poor choice of words. I have a habit of exaggerating to make a point and it really doesn't play well on a message board. I think the bottom line is that I expect LSU to win those games and that they are spaced out around the really tough games so that there is only UGA and State in back to back weeks.
I mean, it's a typical SEC schedule that we have been playing every year and will be playing every year in the future. UGA and Florida have just been flipped around. It's usually Florida that's the tough game we play from the East whereas this year it's UGA and Florida is team coming off of a losing record.
I mean, it's a typical SEC schedule that we have been playing every year and will be playing every year in the future. UGA and Florida have just been flipped around. It's usually Florida that's the tough game we play from the East whereas this year it's UGA and Florida is team coming off of a losing record.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 2:55 pm to TigerLunatik
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mean, it's a typical SEC schedule that we have been playing every year and will be playing every year in the future.
well yea, it's just that Mullen left Miss St in good standing, and just so happens he goes to a school on our schedule who probably has better talent, & we are playing them on the road.
A&M is our last game of the regular season. You may not like Jimbo but his body of work should be respected. Again, it's a road game. That team should only improve.
I expect us to win too. It wont be chalk though
Posted on 9/20/18 at 2:59 pm to TigerLunatik
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There is really no reason that a team with the talent that LSU has shouldn't go 10-2 this season.
you don't seem to care about bowl games for some reason. I would think 11-2 or 10-3 would be a pretty solid season (with the bowl game). 9-4 would suck at this point after getting wins over Auburn and Miami. But I disagree with you that LSU has some sort of overwhelming talent. I think we have good talent probably on par with Auburn, but not where we can just overwhelm many teams just based off of talent. But we could go 11-2 if the ball continues to bounce our way, like it did vs Auburn, or even better with a big bounce our way. I just don't see us going 8-5.
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Florida, Arkansas and A&M all have coaches in their first year with the program and none came into a situtation as good as Orgeron did last year and Jimbo (the overrated coach) is at A&M. So, I think LSU should absolutely win those games and win them with relative ease.
hope your right about. I'm just not as confident about winning with relative ease. It is pretty rare that we even beat Arkansas with ease. It wouldn't surprise me if all 4 of those games are dogfights especially on the road like they are.
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The schedule this year is tough, no one will dispute that, but it is set up for LSU to make a run.
it's set up for it due to how tough it is. The national media can't help to take that into account. But even one SEC loss could knock us out the SEC championship game and thus probably the playoffs. I just can't see them sending two SEC teams two years in a row to the playoffs.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 3:02 pm to Tiger Ree
Delpit is the best tackler on the team. I said that last season. He's fearless and sticks it better than anyone on defense.
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