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re: NLRB regional says college football players can form union
Posted on 3/27/14 at 7:44 am to TigerBait1127
Posted on 3/27/14 at 7:44 am to TigerBait1127
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There should be a middle ground between keeping them student athletes and giving them fair compensation for the amount of money they bring into the athletic department
So you're saying i should be able to go to my employer and demand higher pay because i see how much he makes off me? Great idea!!!! I will be back to tell you how that went.
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 7:52 am to kbmaverick
This is as if I opened a business that turn out it was fun to work there. Employees then started to realize how much money i was making. Then they decided to sue me to get more pay. Then i say, "you don't have to work here." you know what the deal is before you walk in that door and it's always been this way. This is my business and you can go elsewhere to get what you think you deserve.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 8:05 am to lsu2006
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Including but not limited to a free college education
Since they're all there for the education.
Two stats:
1) less than 2% of college football players make an n.f.l. roster. Therefore, they better be there for education.
2) The average college student graduates with $50,000.00 or more of student loan debt. Football players can graduate w/o student loan dept. It's not like they are getting nothing.
Other than stats, if you pay a football player, you have to pay the womens swim team. (all sports male and female will have to be paid) football and mens basketball are the only sports that produce profit to pay for all the other athletics. this will break athletic departments and end college football as we know it.
This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 8:10 am
Posted on 3/27/14 at 8:23 am to prplngldtigr
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Not to mention if you pay football players , you pay all collegiate athletes in all sports.
If athletes are employees, does minimum wage apply?
Obama is pushing for ten dollars and hour minimum wage.
That should cut down on the hours in training.
Athletes will grow fat and lazy like union employees. Running backs will not be allowed to catch passes.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 8:56 am to kbmaverick
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most of these greedy kids
Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:02 am to TigersforEver
These kids are getting a free football scholarship! That is pay enough. If they think their so good try out with the pro's! 
Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:06 am to kbmaverick
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My vote, put a halt to college football for 4 years and take away the avenue to the NFL and no degree.
If college football didn't exist, then something like minor league baseball or the NBA D-league would pop up to fill the void for football. Then players would have an avenue to the NFL that paid them something.
I think eventually something like that's going to pop up anyway, even without cfb shutting down. The current situation is untenable. Student athletes are becoming nearly as famous as their professional counterparts, and yet they don't have access to the revenues they help produce and they can't even get paid for endorsements or public appearances or for signing autographs.
If there were some other viable options for a football player out of high school to play football for a living while prepping for an NFL career, then college football would be left with only the players that actually wanted to be there. This would mean cfb would lose out on some of the top talent out of high school, and might even mean that college football as an industry would lost a little bit of its national prominence, but for fans of the game, I think the product on the field would actually be better. It would probably mean more parity and it would stop the growing trend of more and more players leaving school early.
This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 9:08 am
Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:11 am to TigerB8
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So you're saying i should be able to go to my employer and demand higher pay because i see how much he makes off me? Great idea!!!! I will be back to tell you how that went.
If you do that individually, you're going to get laughed at. If your fellow employees all unionized, like Northwestern football players are doing, then that would be a great idea. See the difference?
Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:12 am to Louisiania
quote:If this were allowed, the Alabama's would rape this system so bad, nobody could keep up.
they can't even get paid for endorsements or public appearances or for signing autographs.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:33 am to Cincinnati Bowtie
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If this were allowed, the Alabama's would rape this system so bad, nobody could keep up.
Alabama and all big name schools would abuse the hell out of it. And even if they didn't abuse it, it would naturally make it completely impossible for small name schools to compete anyway, because all the talented players would know that their name would be worth a lot more at a big name football school. That said, if all college football players are allowed to bargain collectively, the NCAA would be able to dictate terms like this onto players anymore.
EDIT: In fact, one of the main points that the new union is bargaining for is not to be paid directly by the school, but to be allowed to appear in commercials and seek outside employment opportunities.
This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 9:39 am
Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:58 am to Louisiania
I think we need to remember that college football should not exist as a reason for us to drink beer on Saturday and get mad about things.
We do treat college players as pro athletes in the BCS schools. We hold them as accountable as we do NFL players as fans, boosters, and alumni and fellow students.
This may ruin college football as you know it, but college football will survive. It survives at the Ivies and Division III schools.
Many of you seem think that the ending college football as we know it will be a blow to you. Well, it won't be and I love college football, but I have come to realize that it should not exist as a NFL farm system or as a way to boost my self-esteem when LSU wins.
Go talk to people who participate (players, coaches, staff, and fans) in Division II, III and the non-scholarship Division I--the ivies and ask them how much they enjoy it.
We do treat college players as pro athletes in the BCS schools. We hold them as accountable as we do NFL players as fans, boosters, and alumni and fellow students.
This may ruin college football as you know it, but college football will survive. It survives at the Ivies and Division III schools.
Many of you seem think that the ending college football as we know it will be a blow to you. Well, it won't be and I love college football, but I have come to realize that it should not exist as a NFL farm system or as a way to boost my self-esteem when LSU wins.
Go talk to people who participate (players, coaches, staff, and fans) in Division II, III and the non-scholarship Division I--the ivies and ask them how much they enjoy it.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:15 am to Ralph_Wiggum
As one poster mentioned, if they are now employees, when will they start paying income tax on their earnings? When an employee gets hurt on the job, he is entitled to WC benefits. And if anyone knows anything about the fraud in that system, imagine if a 3rd string guard with little to no playing time in the immediate future gets hurt in practice. How long do you think he will drag out his WC injury? The pro league's unions are kept alive due to the union dues pro athletes pay into it. Who will pay union dues for a poor college athlete? Unions go on strike all the time. Do you want that to be introduced at the collegiate level? Where has it been said that Northwestern will drop football if this decision prevails? Just curious as I can see that happening to some schools who are in the red financially already.Tulane comes to mind immediately.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:17 am to TigerB8
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So you're saying i should be able to go to my employer and demand higher pay because i see how much he makes off me? Great idea!!!! I will be back to tell you how that went.
That is how a CBA usually works in the sporting world.
If you have the leverage, you certainly could
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:20 am to dos crystal
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if you pay a football player, you have to pay the womens swim team
Can you site a source
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Now, they should be aloud to market themselves as they please. Absolutely ridiculous they can't make a penny off their personal images.
this was my biggest issue with the current system. The NCAA website was basically selling Manziel jerseys. the ncaa football game, etc. They're selling the players likeness for a profit while cutting them out
This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 10:23 am
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:25 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Probably end college sports as we know it as well.
...and all of the people cheering this on will be bitching.
The consumers of college football will get screwed in this.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:39 am to TigerBait1127
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There should be a middle ground between keeping them student athletes and giving them fair compensation for the amount of money they bring into the athletic department
I think the hundreds of millions of dollars in infrastructure, marketing combined with the loyal following of fans of the university brings a whole lot more money to the table than the players.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:50 am to moneyg
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I think the hundreds of millions of dollars in infrastructure, marketing combined with the loyal following of fans of the university brings a whole lot more money to the table than the players.
ok?
You can say that about most businesses too. This isn't an all or nothing argument. How did you misunderstand the middle ground part? No one is suggesting that the players get all the profits that a football program makes
This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 10:53 am
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:56 am to TigerBait1127
the other weasel in the woodpile is this could be the death of Title IX and women's athletics as we know them today...
when all the facts and figures come out and it's truly understood that football is the major bill payer in a lot of places...
when all the facts and figures come out and it's truly understood that football is the major bill payer in a lot of places...
Posted on 3/27/14 at 11:21 am to vl100butch
I agree, title IX doesn't work in this situation or any
I'm interested to see how it would play out if they were considered employees instead of athletes
I'm interested to see how it would play out if they were considered employees instead of athletes
Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:09 pm to TigerBait1127
I've been saying for quite a while that football players should recieve the same sort of stipend that a ROTC cadet gets (about $400 a month)
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