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re: NLRB regional says college football players can form union
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:53 pm to FalconTiger
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:53 pm to FalconTiger
I think some of you have alluded to this, but what about this as part of the whole concept of getting paid:
You can elect to receive payment above the value of a scholarship for that school, but in doing so you must commit to finish your degree in four years.
If you don't elect to receive payment (and just take the scholarship) you can leave whenever you want (or after three years as it is now).
This will offset some of the personal risk of forfeiting income in the NFL (or other pro league), albeit not to the same degree. It would provide some immediate income as well as a degree.
Conversely, it would allow schools to fully realize their investments and make for a good fan experience.
You can elect to receive payment above the value of a scholarship for that school, but in doing so you must commit to finish your degree in four years.
If you don't elect to receive payment (and just take the scholarship) you can leave whenever you want (or after three years as it is now).
This will offset some of the personal risk of forfeiting income in the NFL (or other pro league), albeit not to the same degree. It would provide some immediate income as well as a degree.
Conversely, it would allow schools to fully realize their investments and make for a good fan experience.
This post was edited on 3/26/14 at 3:54 pm
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:53 pm to kbmaverick
How many universities generate enough money off sports to fund their program. Isn't it a fact that in the lesser programs, student fees and taxpayers fund athletics. What happens to title IX if schools drop football.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:54 pm to justustm2
There are so many problems with this it's mind-boggling.
Will players be able to negotiate their salaries?
Who sets the pay rates?
Can they go on strike?
How does the NCAA police improper benefits?
This isn't a can of worms, it's a tanker truck full.
Will players be able to negotiate their salaries?
Who sets the pay rates?
Can they go on strike?
How does the NCAA police improper benefits?
This isn't a can of worms, it's a tanker truck full.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:54 pm to FalconTiger
The revenue generated by SEC members is much different than just the TV payouts. This is dated, I believe LSU is now > $80M.
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I recall UT's athletic dept being in the red as recently as Butch Jones' hiring due to years of decline in it's football program. That's at a school that regular puts its basketball team in the NCAA tourney and reaches the Sweet 16.
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At LSU, for instance, the school reported annual football revenue of $69.4 million in 2009-10, a sum that includes everything from ticket sales and fan donations to conference TV payments. LSU also reported that its Baton Rouge, La., campus generated a total of $488.9 million in revenue from all sources, tuition included. By these figures, football accounted for 14% of LSU's gross income.
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I recall UT's athletic dept being in the red as recently as Butch Jones' hiring due to years of decline in it's football program. That's at a school that regular puts its basketball team in the NCAA tourney and reaches the Sweet 16.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:55 pm to lsufball19
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you refuse to acknowledge that, again, the vast majority of colleges are losing millions every single year just by competing in collegiate athletics. every college isn't alabama or lsu. it's actually a financial burden for most colleges to even have an athletic department. however, it's a great benefit for their student athletes.
Make stuff up much? So colleges have teams , although losing money, to simply benefit the student athlete? And they continue operating those teams despite losing millions that is not made up by other of their teams? That is what you are saying?
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:56 pm to roygu
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What happens to title IX if schools drop football.
Basketball will wind up being the big winner for both men and women's. All of the other sports become obsolete but basketball has a limited number of players and salaries.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:56 pm to FalconTiger
OK, why shouldn't HS athletes be allowed to join a Union and get paid?
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:58 pm to justustm2
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So colleges have teams , although losing money, to simply benefit the student athlete? And they continue operating those teams despite losing millions that is not made up by other of their teams? That is what you are saying?
that's just a reality at the vast majority of schools. the numbers are readily available with a simple google search. most athletic departments operate in the red every year.
ETA: LINK
This post was edited on 3/26/14 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 3/26/14 at 4:01 pm to roygu
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OK, why shouldn't HS athletes be allowed to join a Union and get paid?
Are you really comparing the money making machine that is college football to high school football?
Really?
This post was edited on 3/26/14 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 3/26/14 at 4:03 pm to justustm2
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Because they are chattel?
Fortunately humans are not chattel although some may think otherwise due to their personal circumstance. Dogs, unfortunately, are treated as chattel.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 4:06 pm to WITNESS23
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Are you really comparing the money making machine that is college football to high school football?
Nevermind the fact that the majority of high school athletes aren't 18.
Not sure if that means anything, actually.
This post was edited on 3/26/14 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 3/26/14 at 4:07 pm to tirebiter
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Fortunately humans are not chattel although some may think otherwise due to their personal circumstance. Dogs, unfortunately, are treated as chattel.
You had better check your Webster's.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 4:09 pm to liquid rabbit
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Winners in this scenario: unions.
Losers: Fans, universities and, ultimately, the players
Freaking this. I am in awe at how many of you actually support this. What, maybe 25 athletics programs make a profit? the rest run a deficit and use state money to cover the rest. How can some of you not see the system is going to collapse if this comes to fruition?
Posted on 3/26/14 at 4:11 pm to liquid rabbit
No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance.
Be Denied The Benefits Of.....You do this for football, you HAVE to do it for every other sport. There are far too many schools who would not be able to handle this.
Be Denied The Benefits Of.....You do this for football, you HAVE to do it for every other sport. There are far too many schools who would not be able to handle this.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 4:13 pm to kbmaverick
Good, now can I go back to the 80's and purchase my tickets without TAF fees going forward.
If they can unionize I want to eliminate all donations to the unions!
If they can unionize I want to eliminate all donations to the unions!
Posted on 3/26/14 at 4:27 pm to nicholastiger
Ponder this for a second what happens to Tulane football.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 4:51 pm to ihometiger
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You do this for football, you HAVE to do it for every other sport.
And that's key. Think title 9 screws things up now? I'm not sure why the NLRB has any jurisdiction here, though. It's a LABOR board and these players are not employees of the school.
That said, I do think that the NCAA has gone over the line with many of their rules, particularly those that limit what a player can do to make money outside of school, which could strengthen the argument that student athletes are being treated like employees in many ways. If a player can make a buck from marketing his own name and/or likeness, he should be allowed to. Does it open up a potential avenue for cheating by making it easier for schools to pay players? Sure. Does it favor the bigger schools that have more exposure and therefore more marketability? Of course. But the NCAA can only police so much and they have reached the point where their rules regarding "improper benefits" are arbitrary at best, inconsistently enforced and often detrimental to the student athlete's ability to provide for himself while in school.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 5:00 pm to TigersforEver
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Do they know how many average joes like me wish they could do that, and would do it for absolutely $0
You woukd have made a terrific slave gladiator.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 5:03 pm to lsu2006
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An education they may or may not want? Plus at least three years of risking their health without compensation, whereby they can risk future earnings in pro football, while schools capitalize and make literally millions off of them?
They don't have to play College Football
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Big time recruits are in college because it's the "required" step between high school and their best way to make money in the future.
Then why play Youth Football or High School football? If it's all about "getting paid" then stfu and enjoy the perks in College that a normal student will never get to enjoy.
The real issue here are the kids that DON'T make the NFL and have nothing to fall back on. Maybe they should take advantage of the free education.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 5:08 pm to lsusteve1
make it to where they have to meet a certain academic standard to get paid.
2.0 to maintain a scholly
3.0 to get paid
give each student $500 game for football
each player receives $7,000 a season, if they want more tell them to work the bookstore or some shite.
2.0 to maintain a scholly
3.0 to get paid
give each student $500 game for football
each player receives $7,000 a season, if they want more tell them to work the bookstore or some shite.
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