re: Newsflash for those that think we're in a decline

I agree that Nick was a good coach. He did a lot for LSU but LSU also did a lot for him. His formula for success obviously works, but the point I was trying to make is that he was not the God that a lot of people want to make him out to be. He wasn't perfect and he did lose his share of games, even some he shouldn't have lost. I just don't see the decline or the Larry Coker effect that some people suggest. Les is far from perfect and definitely makes some mistakes, Ole Miss prime example. But overall the results have been very good and I think we will be at the top again very shortly. Let's face it, if the Ryan Perilloux situation had not occurred this discussion would probably not even exist.

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When Coach Miles earns a winning record against Saban's Alabama and Florida, I will agree that he's the guy for LSU head coach.

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I think he evens the series with Saban next year, and gets close to it with Meyer. But that's still a pretty ridiculous standard.

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Bout to be 24-3, which isn't lightyears ahead of what Miles did as well.

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Yes, it is. Miles is 17-8, "bout" to be either 18-8 or 17-9. That's nowhere close to 24-3 (even assuming Saban does lose the SECCG).

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What good is an undefeated regular season if you lose the SEC championship game and your bowl game.

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It is better than losing three or five regular season games and not even getting to the SEC championship game.

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If that happens again, especially if they get blown out again in their bowl game, we might finish ranked higher if we win ours.

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What a joke.

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You people keep forgetting that the only time Saban lost less than 3 games at LSU was the NC year. He was also a "Blue Grass Miracle" away from 5 losses in '04.

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We had another Bluegrass Miracle in 2004? Wow, I must have missed that one. Why would they call it Bluegrass, though? We didn't play Kentucky that year.

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I think he evens the series with Saban next year, and gets close to it with Meyer. But that's still a pretty ridiculous standard.

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I think you're insane, both in your predictions and your standards. To have a winning record against your top competition is not a ridiculous expectation. It is ridiculous, of course, to think that Miles has a chance in hell of ever beating either one of them again, but it's a VERY reasonable expectation of a coach and program.

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This is true. He gets the wins because of talent.

However, if the trend continues the talent will start to trickle elsewhere. The top WR in LA for 2011 has already expressed his concerns.

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Exactly. Some people here think that great HS players in La. are going to come to LSU just because its LSU.

I hate to tell you but I know first hand, most BIG TIME recruits dont care what college they play for as much as "can this coach, get me to the NFL".

Those players will start going out of state like they did before Saban came to LSU.

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Miles is nowhere close to saban or meyer. Hes a 2nd tier coach in this conference living off of great recruiting a decent coordinator hire every now and then.

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First of all Tool, you must be aware that recruiting in the college game is fully half the battle. So LSU's continued great recruiting under Miles is a big plus in his column. Losing a slew of players for disciplinary and other reasons has certainly hurt Miles but then again it bit Nick a time or two in his tenure at LSU. Next, it's apples and organges to compare game-day coaching as Nick is virtually responsible for 'Bama's entire defensive scheme just as he was at LSU. Miles is an O-line coach who, as you say, must rely on decent coordinators to succeed in the SEC. It stands to reason that a defensive or offensive coordinator-type coach has a shot at swinging a program in a 180 faster than someone who's relying on having two good coordinators. Saban, Meyer and Petrino all fall into that category. The head coach must be a good manager of his staff to be successful at the SEC level and Miles has slipped a bit in that area the last two years. I too believe that Saban is a better overall head coach, but when you account for the whole job description, Les Miles is probably above average based on his recruiting strength alone.

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Kelly and Harbaugh would both be upgrades over Miles. Theoretically either could be attracted

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You keep saying this.
By saying you want Harbaugh to replace Miles is = to saying I only want to beat Bama and UF and am OK with losing to Ole Miss, USCe, and MSU. He gets his team up for the big game but can't get them up for the common game.

Brian Kelly coaches in the Big East. They haven't played anyone or won against anyone worth a darn this year, last year or the year before. He has not proven he can win at a big time school yet.

The arrogance that LSU could lure any coach from anywhere is pure bologna. If that is the case then why not get Saban or Meyer?

Before you fire Miles you better have someone that can do the job as well or better. The grass isn't always greener on the other side.

The continual analogies to Saban on this thread pretty much sums up where the minds of the Miles haters are centered. Les Miles has more humility and honor in his nuts than Saban has in his entire body. Saban wins more at the moment (the last three have been decided in the final minutes)and has done an incredible job at Bama. Les Miles may make mistakes I can't understand at times with the mismanagment of the offense this year IMO, but has addressed the Defense and I believe he will address the offense, with JJ getting more experienced and a re-alignment of play calling. I like that when he's convinced of a team, he will push it and exploit it, but he obviously has not had the confidence in their cohesiveness this year. I expect with Ole Miss debacle he will be on his toes like he was at the end of season last year. He's EARNED the ability to address his mistakes. I believe the bowl and next year will have a strong team coming. Saban is good and he's also gone. I like our guy. I'm sticking with him.

Thanks Bra.

...and a-freaking-men to every word you wrote. We need to quit looking for miracle turnarounds. The chemsistry that goes into making a championship team is oh-so subtle that you can't just wink and cough up another BCS title. Patience, people. We're a good program and we're going to get better. If you can't buy into that, go away. We sure as hell don't need you. Maybe Bama does.