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re: Newsflash for those that think we're in a decline
Posted on 12/4/09 at 9:44 am to LsuTool
Posted on 12/4/09 at 9:44 am to LsuTool
quote:Thank you tool, finally someone who makes some sense.
Tell me what he does. I see him calling timeouts and watching the replays on the jumbotron during games. What do you see him doing?
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Posted on 12/4/09 at 9:46 am to Hot Carl
quote:Forget Saban, put Miles up against ANY top 20 coach right now and I bet the rest of the country will vote landslide >>>> 70% for ANY other coach than Miles.
I tell you what then you take a poll around the country and ask who is a better coach Miles or Saban. I promise you Saban will win by 80-90%
Posted on 12/4/09 at 9:46 am to LsuTool
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Oh, did you want it be to something he is good at?
Posted on 12/4/09 at 9:48 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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Name one MAJOR thing that he does, that is provable, that you know he does, takes credit for and the media and fans give him credit for
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Name one large strategic decision he has made, or even one tactical, in game move he has made that he has been personally responsible for that has been successful?
Please provide specific examples of the above for Bob Stoops and Mack Brown.
Thx
Posted on 12/4/09 at 9:50 am to LNCHBOX
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Miles bashers are the first t o bring Saban up, and you want to talk about a tired argument
ppl bring up saban because most around here agree he is a very good coach and people like to compare Miles to a very good coach to see how he stacks up. Hes compared to Meyer a good bit also.
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Miles record speaks for itself.
His record the last 2 years with his players and his coaches and how they perform, win or lose, also speaks.
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and a higher winning percentage.
This argument is a joke. Nick Saban has never walked into a program with the status and foundation that LSU had when Miles walk in.
How are the percentages over the last 2 years?
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Based off the Sugar Bowl last year, I'll take my chances with Miles.
So, bama losing one game, means you think miles is better than saban?
Posted on 12/4/09 at 9:52 am to kbro
What is Mack Brown, Nick Saban, and Bob Stoops bowl records. I don't think any of them match Les's during his tenure at LSU.
Posted on 12/4/09 at 9:54 am to kbro
quote:I'm not talking about either of those two coaches, I don't care about them , and their not LSU's coach.
Please provide specific examples of the above for Bob Stoops and Mack Brown.
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Thx
Posted on 12/4/09 at 9:56 am to casansin
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What is Mack Brown, Nick Saban, and Bob Stoops bowl records. I don't think any of them match Les's during his tenure at LSU.
Well shite, lets just give out passes for the regular season games and as long he wins all the bowls games, it ok.
I mean noone cares about beating bama, uf, ole miss, auburn, and ark. As long as we beat miami, notre dame, and utah if we ever play them all is well in baton rouge.
Posted on 12/4/09 at 9:57 am to LsuTool
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So, bama losing one game, means you think miles is better than saban?
Yes, because Saban is good for a WTF loss like this every couple years. But more than just that game. There is never a reason that LSU/ Bama should lose to a UAB/ ULM type team. Miles doesn't lose those games.
I'll take being 4-0 in bowls vs having an undefeated regular season with losses following. Saban was great for LSU, but he is gone. Time to move on. Just like when ever Miles is gone, it will be time to move on from him as well.
Posted on 12/4/09 at 9:57 am to Hot Carl
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Saban is not our coach nor is he an option to ever be our coach again.
Carl,some of our "fans" can't let go of Saban and its killing them how well he's doing at Alabama. Even if they get their wish and Miles leaves for whaterver reason,some of them won't accept the new guy,either because he's not Nick Saban.
Posted on 12/4/09 at 10:00 am to LsuTool
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This argument is a joke. Nick Saban has never walked into a program with the status and foundation that LSU had when Miles walk in.
How are the percentages over the last 2 years?
LSU wasn't exactly lacking in talent when Saban got here either. Sure it wasn't the cornucopia that it was in 2005, but there was plenty of NFL talent here in 2000.
And FWIW, the winning percentages are better in '09 then they were in '08, which is all you could really ask for this year.
Posted on 12/4/09 at 10:00 am to LsuTool
That's a good idea. Maybe those fans would still be in the stadium when the game is over. Did you watch Oregon last night? The stadium was still full at the end of the game.
Posted on 12/4/09 at 10:04 am to LNCHBOX
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LSU wasn't exactly lacking in talent when Saban got here either.
The team/program/facilites Miles inherited is not even comparable to what saban inherited.
Its not a fair argument. Bottom line.
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And FWIW, the winning percentages are better in '09 then they were in '08, which is all you could really ask for this year.
You think so, damn, it couldnt get much worse.
Posted on 12/4/09 at 10:06 am to LsuTool
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The team/program/facilites Miles inherited is not even comparable to what saban inherited.
Its not a fair argument. Bottom line.
Than what was Saban's excuse for '04? He had "Saban's players" did he not? If Miles winning was only because of Saban's players and Saban still lost 3 games with them, how does that make Saban look?
Posted on 12/4/09 at 10:07 am to NorthEnd
i agree with your post 100%. the problem with it though is that the chicken littles and the miles haters do not care about facts; they do not care about reality; they are simply immature,close minded and completely focused on firing all of our coaches. i still find it hard to believe that many of them are lsu fans and not "plants" from other schools just starting shite. some people have more time than sense and maturity. i think, overall, miles is a damn good coach. when our OL bounces back and our QB improves, we well be a contender. i personally think JJ came of age in the arkansas game. he will only get better. i think the next 5 years are gonna be good one's; better than the last two for sure.
Posted on 12/4/09 at 10:09 am to LNCHBOX
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Yes, because Saban is good for a WTF loss like this every couple years.
8 loss miles over a 2 loss saban? Im glad your not our AD.
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There is never a reason that LSU/ Bama should lose to a UAB/ ULM type team. Miles doesn't lose those games.
The talent on those teams that lost to UAB and ULM is much worse than Miles teams at LSU that have come very close to losing to LaTech and Troy.
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Saban was great for LSU, but he is gone. Time to move on. Just like when ever Miles is gone, it will be time to move on from him as well.
Agree, but ppl are just comparing him to a top coach in the SEC.
Posted on 12/4/09 at 10:12 am to LsuTool
It might not be a decline, it might just be a blip on the radar after next year. But one more year of 3+ losses, its officially decline time. That said, I still think Miles needs to go after this season, decline or not, the man has shown himself incapable of doing what is needed to win when it matters.
Posted on 12/4/09 at 10:14 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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I'm not talking about either of those two coaches, I don't care about them
Figured you couldn't do it
Posted on 12/4/09 at 10:14 am to LsuTool
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The talent on those teams that lost to UAB and ULM is much worse than Miles teams at LSU that have come very close to losing to LaTech and Troy.
you do recall that Saban needed a late 4th qtr td to defeat Troy in his fifth year at LSU,right ?
Saban may indeed be a better coach than Miles but to deflect or hold Saban harmless from any losses or make excuses for anything that went wrong in his tenure at LSU is silly.
Posted on 12/4/09 at 10:14 am to LSU GrandDad
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i think, overall, miles is a damn good coach
Damn good compared to what?
The man fails basic strategy 101. His teams are a disorganized mess. We can't get plays in on time, have countless formation penalties, have no attention to detail. Miles can't coach either side of the ball. He is only as good as his coordinators allow him to be.
We win despite Miles. Damn good coach? I don't think so.
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