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Posted on 12/4/09 at 8:29 am to ForeLSU
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no, I see it as him doing his job, which is to try to make the program the best it can be. Whether, or not, he's successful at that remains to be seen...
Read the title of the thread. This is not the "Does Miles do his job" thread. It is a thread questioning whether or not we are on a decline. I say we are. What say you?
This post was edited on 12/4/09 at 8:30 am
Posted on 12/4/09 at 8:30 am to LJBurton
quote:or its a sign of bad hires.
If firing your two primary assistants in successive years isn't a sign of decline, I don't know what is.
Posted on 12/4/09 at 8:38 am to Big Fat
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or its a sign of bad hires.
Who hired them? Miles
Do bad hires stop your team from winning games? Yes
Does firing coaches hurt recruting? Yes
That leads to a program declining.
Posted on 12/4/09 at 8:40 am to LJBurton
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It is a thread questioning whether or not we are on a decline. I say we are. What say you?
this year was an improvement over last year, IMO. The past few recruiting classes have been strong...so at this point, I would say it's no worse than at steady state. But there are several issues with the program that have to be fixed if we are going to get back to championship level, and it remains to be seen if that will happen. I would say the program is in a similar state as when Miles took over, the problem is, Bama has gone on a meteoric rise...so fans see this as a decline at LSU.
Personally I would replace Miles today if I could guarantee the new coach could put LSU on the same level as Bama and Fl are this year. But I don't simply want someone who is "better than Miles", for the sake of replacing Miles. And the last thing we want is a panic situation and end up with another Bill Callahan situation.
Posted on 12/4/09 at 8:41 am to craignettles
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Ok, so which is it:
1. Saban's excuse for a 9-3 2004 is that he lost NC talent from 2003.
or
2. Miles only won because of Saban's talent.
And this should end the Miles "winning with Saban's players" BS. Excellent observation here.
Posted on 12/4/09 at 8:41 am to LsuTool
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Do bad hires stop your team from winning games? Yes
was Crowton considered a bad hire at the end of 2007? as personnel and competition evolve you have to re-evaluate everything about the program. Was Gruden a bad hire for Tampa Bay?
Posted on 12/4/09 at 8:45 am to ForeLSU
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was Crowton considered a bad hire at the end of 2007?
As i recall up until this season Crowton was a genius and it was Miles who was hand cuffing him. No one blamed Crowton for our offensive woes or called him a bad hire...that is until this year now that he is the problem and Miles is an idiot...LSU fans just don't know how to be happy EVER!!!
Posted on 12/4/09 at 8:46 am to LsuTool
This is a great and realistic message about our program's status. We are in great shape and right where Saban left us -- in the same bowl with about the same talent, and if we win in Orlando, a better record. Saban has done a great job at Bama, but we are about the exact level with them. Breaks fell their way this year -- TN kicker shanks a line drive, and the LSU interception that wasn't, and the live or die drive at Auburn. Saban's 5th year team was his second worse, and was lucky to be 9-4.
Posted on 12/4/09 at 8:48 am to LNCHBOX
I tell you what then you take a poll around the country and ask who is a better coach Miles or Saban. I promise you Saban will win by 80-90%. The only people who will vote for Miles is the people who wear their gold Bike coaching shorts to tight and fight little kids at fan day to get autographs.
I want Miles to succeed and if he does turn LSU back into a national power I will be just as happy as everyone else. I just don't see it happening. Sorry for being a realist.
I figured some loser would respond with the tired old get of Saban's crotch. REALLLLY original.... Is that all you can come up with to defend Miles with?
I want Miles to succeed and if he does turn LSU back into a national power I will be just as happy as everyone else. I just don't see it happening. Sorry for being a realist.
I figured some loser would respond with the tired old get of Saban's crotch. REALLLLY original.... Is that all you can come up with to defend Miles with?
Posted on 12/4/09 at 8:48 am to ForeLSU
quote:And bringing in undeserving and unproven coordinators is a sign of bad judgment. Miles will ;have had to clean house 2 years in a row now, once on defense, and once on offense. To me this indicates a larger problem, which is selection of assistant coaches and judgment. Also, you could make the case that the problem is not with the assistant coaches, it is MILES HIMSELF that is the problem.
I would say it's a sign that you're addressing the factors that are causing you to under perform. Not firing them would indicate more a decline in the program.
Posted on 12/4/09 at 8:49 am to ForeLSU
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was Crowton considered a bad hire at the end of 2007?
no, but his history shows he gets worse with time. Why didnt Miles know about this, or do something about it? Its his job to oversee shite and he should have known it was possible and kept a close eye on it. Now its too late and its costing us games and recruits.
Posted on 12/4/09 at 8:51 am to NorthEnd
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The program is EXACTLY where Saban left it in 2004
If I agree, will he leave now and leave it EXACTLY where Saban left it?
Posted on 12/4/09 at 8:52 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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And bringing in undeserving and unproven coordinators is a sign of bad judgment. Miles will ;have had to clean house 2 years in a row now, once on defense, and once on offense.
so Crowton was undeserving and unproven? He made a huge mistake with the co-DC's and fixed it after a year...just like Saban fixed his Applewhite frick up after a year. Was Chavis undeserving and unproven?
Posted on 12/4/09 at 8:52 am to LsuTool
quote:So, you are one of those that believes the program runs itself and Miles does nothing. You have obviously never been around a major college football program. He don't get paid millions of dollars a year for nothing. The McDonald's mentallity around here is amazing.
What does Miles bring to the table?
Posted on 12/4/09 at 8:53 am to Volvagia
quote:Name 5 top 20 programs who would be chasing Miles for the HC position if he was available today. I bet you can't name 3.
Bout to be 24-3, which isn't light years ahead of what Miles did as well.
Mils is not mentioned in one single head coaching search or rumor- EVER. The argument is not that he's not available and doesn't want to leave LSU, it's that no one is interested in even TRYING to steal him from LSU.
Posted on 12/4/09 at 8:53 am to LsuTool
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Now its too late and its costing us games and recruits.
too late? too late for what? is LSU dropping football as a sport?
Posted on 12/4/09 at 8:54 am to Champagne
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When Coach Miles earns a winning record against Saban's Alabama and Florida, I will agree that he's the guy for LSU head coach.
There are so many things wrong with this logic, but I'll just offer this simple argument. At the end of 2007(a season in which Les Miles won the SEC and National Championship, and a season that is less than 2 calendar years removed), Miles was 1-0 vs. Saban and 2-1 vs. Florida. Did you think he was the guy for LSU then? Of course you didn't--you're a goal-post mover. It is literally impossible for him to ever satisfy you because you will continue to push the criteria back. If we beat Florida next year--which would even the Miles/Meyer series at 3 apiece--you will inevitably say, "let's see him do it when Florida is not having a down year and has an experienced QB" or some nonsense like that.
Posted on 12/4/09 at 8:55 am to 7 Moves
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but we are about the exact level with them.
2 undefeated reg seasons vs 7-5 and 9-3.
quote:
Breaks fell their way this year
for every game bama got breaks in and won LSU got breaks in and won also. But they finished 3 games ahead of us.
Posted on 12/4/09 at 8:56 am to LsuTool
Nobody is arguing that Miles is better than Saban. Saban IS NOT our coach. He can't be our coach. WHY can't anyone understand this?? He coaches ALABAMA and swapping coaches is not an option.
At the end of this year, we will be EXACTLY---EXACTLY where Saban left us---we're doing OK. The reality is that we will likely be ranked higher than when Saban left, and have a better recruiting class. The point is not to compare coaches, only results. The simple fact is that the results are as good or better, certainly no worse.
SABAN IS NOT OUR COACH--say it again--SABAN IS NOT OUR COACH--repeat as needed
At the end of this year, we will be EXACTLY---EXACTLY where Saban left us---we're doing OK. The reality is that we will likely be ranked higher than when Saban left, and have a better recruiting class. The point is not to compare coaches, only results. The simple fact is that the results are as good or better, certainly no worse.
SABAN IS NOT OUR COACH--say it again--SABAN IS NOT OUR COACH--repeat as needed
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