re: Negativity on coach O

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Hey don’t crap on O for getting a job, all the hate and blame needs to be on Alleva, he is the idiot that hired a guy that isn’t qualified to coach a top program.

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I don't understand this argument, a lack of self awareness is one of the great modern problems in society. So yes, running a political machine for a job you don't deserve is very much O's fault. Alleva is equally to blame, but O isn't absolved from it because he got a job., O should have more self awareness. I mean that's what the whole "learned from his mistakes" is partially about.

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But he did hire O and I’ll support him, not alleva.

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The rest of us support LSU, regardless of other actors in this situation. It's about the school and the program, not O.

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My point is even with Eli, ole miss couldn’t achieve seccg or nc, freeze had to cheat to get success there, it’s a very hard program to build and win at

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And your point is irrelevant. NO ONE expects or holds it against a coach at Ole Miss for not winning a championship. But the fact remains at least the 2 coaches before and the 2 immediately after all won at least 9-10 games in a season. O won 10 total in 3 years. He was awful by their standards.

As a side note, Eli’s Sr year they did go 7-1 in the SEC, I assume that’s their best SEC record ever or at least since the early 60s. unfortunately for them they were in the same division as the eventual National Champions that year

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The game that LSU won?

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Someone down voted you for pointing this out...

Welcome to The Rant, 2018.

I hate the O hire...and It’s his job to sell me that he’s worthy of being head coach of my beloved Tigers. This year’s results will tell me a lot. I hope we have great success...and that he proves many of us wrong.

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Because he didn't deserve the chance to begin with,

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Again, why hate on a guy for getting a job, was O supposed to not even try to get a job bc it would piss off people like you?

Again the hate should fall in the guy that hired a someone not qualifyed.....

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Hey don’t crap on O for getting a j

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Open your eyes. No one is blaming him for taking a 3.5 million check. Almost everyone blames Alleva for offering the man the check and they blame O for four loses in his first year while playing our weakest schedule in twenty years. They also blame O for fricking up his first big offensive hire and replacing that hire with a guy last fired as a OC twenty years ago.

All the negative stuff thrown at O recently is due to his own making. When he stops fricking up, he will get less. That shouldn't be hard to understand.

I don't really know what's hard to understand. O has proven he can be a historically bad coach at Ole Miss. He's proven he can be a mediocre coach while at LSU. He hasn't proven he can be a good/great coach. He gets this year and probably next year to do that. If he doesn't, it's time to move on. If he does, then he can stay as long as the winning continues.

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Not at all what I was saying.

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You stated...

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The haters will be negative unless LSU wins every single game and call for O’s head every week even if we win. They’ll say any coach could have and should have won. If LSU looses, they’ll say it’s proof that with another coach the game would have been different. I don’t think they realize that by saying O is a joke and helping spread that thought that they are indirectly putting down every player that has chosen to play for him.

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And it's not true. And it's been countered many times here, so unless your claim is that you have not seen all of us that have been critical of Orgeron directly address these claims, then you know this is not true...making it a lie.

All Orgeron needs to do is win. Period. My gripe with him as LSU's coach are two fold. One is a character issue which he can't alter at this point. But the second is simply competency...and that one he absolutely CAN alter.

But...that one requires on the field success. and not made up, goal post moved re-definitions of what success looks like either. But the kind of success Miles was no longer seen as achieving...not JUST 10 wins season buts skins on the wall.

If he actually accomplishes something tangible, he'll earn respect. He has yet to come close to that.

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Why would you give up the opportunity to have an open, honest debate/discussion with someone to instead insult them for no reason.

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The irony here is that's what you did when you suggested what you did above...that nothing Orgeron could do would change anyone's mind. How's that for being willing to listen to the thoughts of others...? You state what other's think, despite them having stated the exact opposite time and time again, and then get mad when called out for putting words in the mouths of others.

I don’t like him

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Why would you give up the opportunity to have an open, honest debate/discussion with someone to instead insult them for no reason.

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This is so disingenuous. You flat out said all the "haters" would still want Orgeron fired, even if he wins.

You've already shut down any chance of an honest discussion if you truly believe that nonsense.