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re: NCAA statement on the Coastal coach ejection
Posted on 6/23/25 at 9:56 am to hg
Posted on 6/23/25 at 9:56 am to hg
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Imagine arguing balls and strikes in the 1st inning.
And it wasn't even Jeff Head behind the plate.
Even then you zip it. Damn! You might really need that whole dust up later in the game when it could mean something. Not like this.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:02 am to Earnest_P
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Where was the second warning?
Plain as day on the video, right after the first warning. The ump first stops play to address the 1st base coach, then he reacts to Schall and you can see him looking at Schall and pointing to the 1st base coach. This is clearly the part Schall described as the ump explaining the warning of the 1st base coach to him, then the ump plainly points at Schall and waves him back into the dugout (1st warning), then the ump points again at Schall and gives him the "shooing" motion that Schall described (2d warning), THEN signals the ejection signal. Two different and distinct warning to get back into the dugout that were ignored BEFORE the ejection. And in the reverse angle shot you can see that Schall starts that "3 pitches" chirp (which, again, he himself admitted didn't even start until after he'd had it explained that the initial warning to the 1st base coach was for arguing balls and strikes), and keeps it up at least until he is ejected.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:13 am to King Joey
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then the ump plainly points at Schall and waves him back into the dugout (1st warning), then the ump points again at Schall and gives him the "shooing" motion that Schall described (2d warning)
Those dont count as warnings.
Rules
The NCAA statement says that, after a warning, any coach who continues to argue etc etc, will be ejected.
So the facts seem to be that a warning was issued because of the 1st base coach, after which point the ump had the right to eject anybody who argued balls and strikes, which is exactly what he did, IMMEDIATELY when Shnall raised three fingers.
There was no second warning and by the rules, there didn’t need to be. The umpire ignored the context of the national championship and just went by the book. You can like that or not.
I’m just pointing out that it’s not true that the ump gave the coach a lot of leeway. As soon as he argued balls and strikes, he tossed him. The shooing and waving away were just when the coach was asking why the initial warning was given.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:19 am to Earnest_P
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In this case, the way it went down was that the head coach was asking why the assistant got a warning, was told why, and then reactively said yeah you are missing calls, and then immediate ejection.
So it’s not like the head coach had been causing a big ruckus or even had time to think through what was happening. I think the coach is a hothead, but I don’t think he believed there was any way he’d get tossed for the little bit he said.
In retrospect, I think the ump should have handled it differently and given the head coach a clear and direct warning instead of using the warning for the assistant coach and then tossing the head coach the first time he said something.
Find the wide angle shot of the ejection. You can see the coach come out and ask what the warning was for. He gets the answer and makes the "3 calls" gesture. The ump tells him to go back to the dugout, coach makes the "3 calls" gesture again and that's when he gets tossed.
Was it quick? Sure. But he basically received 2-3 warnings before he got ejected.
I don't think the ump should have entertained him any longer than he did. Coach should have gone back to the dugout quietly and then come out at the half inning to get clarification on the warning.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:34 am to Earnest_P
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In this case, the way it went down was that the head coach was asking why the assistant got a warning, was told why, and then reactively said yeah you are missing calls, and then immediate ejection.
Can you guys not watch the video? I saw it live when it happened. THE HEAD COACH WAS GIVEN A WARNING WHILE STILL IN THE DUGOUT. The umpire pointed at both the first base coach and the dugour then started writing down the official warning. The umpire is writing down the warning and the head coach who was already chirping form the dugout now comes out of the dugout to plead ignorance. After being told exactly why he was given a warning the coach shows up the umpire by yelling and gesturing at him.
Dude should take his own advice and stay composed and quit deflecting to the umpire.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:35 am to Wayne Campbell
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He gets the answer and makes the "3 calls" gesture. The ump tells him to go back to the dugout, coach makes the "3 calls" gesture again and that's when he gets tossed.
That did not happen on any video I’ve seen.
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But he basically received 2-3 warnings before he got ejected.
One warning, and it was given because of what the 1st base coach said, not him.
So in his mind, he was tossed the second he said “you missed three calls”.
No cursing or anything.
The ump is soft, and that’s without getting into the douchebag who tripped and got his feelings hurt.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:39 am to FlyingTiger06
That ump was run out of MLB for doing the same shite. It's BS that coaches are not allowed to argue a call. It's part of baseball. Think back to two years ago, about the umpire who was in the first Oregon State game. The NCAA should be able to provide better officiating in a championship game.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:44 am to Chicken
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I still think he should have been given a little more rope. Or shall I say, I wish he had been given more rope… I didn't want any ammo for people to say that it affected the game in LSU's favor
This is flawed thinking within the realm of the sport...this same logic could be applied to a close call at 1st or a borderline 3-2 call with bases loaded, depending on perspective it's either too early or too late in the game to make xyx call.
Maybe the coach should have been more calm and collected and use the same rational everyone is applying to the excuse making...it's too early to get ejected.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:45 am to Earnest_P
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No cursing or anything.
You're watching all this video and going with "no cursing " as grounds for this guys composure and behavior?
Not to mention several reports that he'd been actively chipping for a while from the dugout as well....
Everyone that's watched baseball this year knows for a fact that NCAA umpires can be less than ideal, and I guarantee this coach knew this umpire and his penchant for not tolerating actions just like this, yet he pushed the buttons early and often.
Bottom line, no one on here knows the entirety of what happened and this guy is certainly only telling one side of the story
This post was edited on 6/23/25 at 10:50 am
Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:56 am to LSUsmartass
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This is flawed thinking within the realm of the sport...this same logic could be applied to a close call at 1st or a borderline 3-2 call with bases loaded, depending on perspective it's either too early or too late in the game to make xyx call.
I don’t think rules around ejections are at all the same thing as rules around gameplay calls. I don’t think it makes any sense at all to think of them in that way and have a hard time believing anyone else truly does either.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:57 am to Earnest_P
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One warning, and it was given because of what the 1st base coach said, not him.
Moron. The ump pointed at the head coach while he was in the dugout which signals that he was given a warning. The ump was writing it down when Coach Redbull came stomping out of the dugout.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 11:11 am to NOLAblonde
Was at the Marriott bar around 1130-12 last night. plenty of Coastal folks there: coaches, families, fans, etc. Schnall was at the bar, belly up. He was chatting casually with an LSU fan…talking football, nothing intense.
But at some point it escalated. Not sure what flipped the switch, but a drunk woman asked him if he was “upset about the game,” and that set things off. One of the assistants told her to leave him alone, voices started getting louder, and then the bartender asked the front desk to call the cops before things popped off.
The Whole Coastal group clears out. Coaches were visibly heated, telling people to “put the phones down,” getting aggressive about it, and they all left the hotel before the cops showed up.
Absolute shite show.
Schnall himself didn’t seem that out of line, but still… what are you doing hanging out at the bar with fans after getting bounced from the national title game? Wild scene.
But at some point it escalated. Not sure what flipped the switch, but a drunk woman asked him if he was “upset about the game,” and that set things off. One of the assistants told her to leave him alone, voices started getting louder, and then the bartender asked the front desk to call the cops before things popped off.
The Whole Coastal group clears out. Coaches were visibly heated, telling people to “put the phones down,” getting aggressive about it, and they all left the hotel before the cops showed up.
Absolute shite show.
Schnall himself didn’t seem that out of line, but still… what are you doing hanging out at the bar with fans after getting bounced from the national title game? Wild scene.
This post was edited on 6/23/25 at 11:23 am
Posted on 6/23/25 at 11:14 am to Vacherie Saint
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The crew is expected to give coaches a HUGE amount of leeway, take responsibility for "de-escalating" a raging coach
NCAA has a product that must be protected. The biggest stage: On national TV on a Broadcast channel is not a place to for treating a complete clown that is embarrassing the product with special treatment. If a coach can't control himself under that spotlight, he does not deserve de-escalation...rather he should not have acted the way he did - so I respectfully disagree with you and Chicken's opinion. Geaux Tigers!
Posted on 6/23/25 at 11:16 am to Chicken
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I still think he should have been given a little more rope
If you watch the umpire he told the coach enough about 3-4 times before he started writing in his book and the guy just kept mouthing off.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 11:16 am to Earnest_P
The rules are actually black and white, zero arguing balls and strikes. I think what people are barking about is how much rope umps give coaches at their discretion. He got warned, was told to get back to the dugout multiple times, the coaches reply "or what" got him tossed. I think people are getting hung up on the 1st inning thing.
I personally believe the coach wanted get tossed at some point in the game as some sort of spark or motivator for his team, he was way too heated in the 1st inning.
I personally believe the coach wanted get tossed at some point in the game as some sort of spark or motivator for his team, he was way too heated in the 1st inning.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 11:18 am to Ponchy Tiger
quote:the CC coach said he didn't hear the initial warning due to the crowd noise...
If you watch the umpire he told the coach enough about 3-4 times before he started writing in his book and the guy just kept mouthing off.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 11:20 am to Earnest_P
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Those dont count as warnings.
Of course they do? What else would they be? Gentle retorts? Even if he didn't use the formal wording in those instances (we don't know whether he did or not) then they were informal warnings because they had already received the formal warning. And so, rather than progress to immediate ejection -- the next formal step -- the ump elected to show Schall extraordinary patience and give him extra leash with the informal warning, and Schall ignored it and continued pushing for the next formal step (ejection). And instead of taking that next formal step, the ump again chose to give him an informal warning to avoid ejecting a head coach in the first inning of a championship. And AGAIN Schall ignored the special consideration he was being given and continued to push to escalate the issue to the next formal step. Which, at LONG last, the umpire finally did. He accede to Schall's insistence on escalation and gave him exactly what his behaviour demanded.
But before we get off into whether the extra leeway was warranted in this case, could someone (anyone?) point to an example, even one, in all of baseball, where this leeway was given when a coach:
1) after his team had been given a formal warning for arguing balls and strikes,
2) came out of the dugout to argue balls and strikes (the "you missed three pitches" line Schall himself admitted),
3) was give a second warning (formal or informal) and instructed to return to the dugout,
4) ignored that warning and instruction and continued to come out of the dugout and continued to argue balls and strikes (with the "three pitches" line he clearly gives again),
5) was given a second warning (formal or informal) and again instructed to return to the dugout,
6) again ignored the warning and instruction (or worse, gave the alleged "or what?" response) and continued to come out of the dugout and continued to argue balls and strikes (again with the "three pitches" line),
and didn't get ejected?
Posted on 6/23/25 at 11:20 am to Choupique19
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Moron. The ump pointed at the head coach while he was in the dugout which signals that he was given a warning. The ump was writing it down when Coach Redbull came stomping out of the dugout.
Ooh name calling. Shameful behavior for an elderly man.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 11:24 am to Earnest_P
What part do you dispute? The umpire gave the head coach a warning while he was as in the dugout. The head coach admits in the post game he was given a warning.
The version you have been spouting is wrong.
The version you have been spouting is wrong.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 11:24 am to NOLAblonde
I found Ravech particularly annoying on this with the "Come on, it's the national championship game. That's just excessive." bullshite. It is what it is. Schnall blew it. It's his fault. And it cost his team, which has to eat away at him.
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