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NCAA rules regarding baseball coaches for Division I
Posted on 5/8/19 at 9:52 am
Posted on 5/8/19 at 9:52 am
It's obvious that there is a lot of confusion on this board regarding NCAA rules for baseball coaches. We see a lot of "why don't we hire a hitting coach instead of having a volunteer coach" type posts.
I am 100% in favor of upgrading our hitting coach position but there are restrictions on the number of "paid" coaches and what they are allowed to do in their job.
I hope the information below clears up some of the misconceptions...
1) A Division 1 baseball program is limited to only 3 paid coaches. By "paid" I'm referring to the coaches can be paid by the university. At LSU, the 3 paid coaches are head coach Paul Mainieri, pitching coach Alan Dunn and recruiting coordinator Nolan Cain.
2) The 3 paid coaches are the only members of the coaching staff who are allowed to recruit off campus.
3) A program is allowed to have 1 "volunteer" coach. This person is allowed to coach players on the field during games and practices. But he is not allowed to recruit off campus. This position is currently occupied by Sean Ochinko.
4) "Volunteer" coaches can be paid, but not by the university. In LSU's case the volunteer hitting coach is paid by TAF and also gets paid for working in the LSU baseball camps.
5) Teams are allowed to have undergraduate volunteer assistant coaches who must be pursuing the completion of his degree while he is part of the non-paid coaching staff. This season that person is former player Jared Foster. He cannot recruit off campus but is allowed to coach on the field during games and practices.
6) Teams are allowed to have other administrative personnel and these positions vary from school to school.
At LSU there is Micah Gibbs, Director of Player Development. He is not allowed to coach players on the field during games and practices nor can he recruit off campus.
Also there is Nate Fury, Director of Baseball Operations. His duties include budgeting and coordinating travel arrangements. He is not allowed to coach on the field and he can not recruit off campus.
Travis Roy is the Strength and Conditioning coach. He is allowed to work with the players in their off-the-field strength an conditioning programs but he is not allowed to coach players during games or practices nor is he allowed to participate in recruiting activities. His office is in the new training facility connected to the batting cage building beyond the right field bleachers.
Jamie Tutko is the Video Coordinator. His duties include videoing and analyzing opponents games for scouting purposes as well as LSU's own games and scrimmages. Not every program has a Video Coordinator.
Teams are allowed to have a Team Trainer. For LSU that person is Cory Couture who is also the team trainer for the men's golf team. He can work in direct contact with players but only on injury prevention and treatment issues. He is not allowed to recruit.
I am 100% in favor of upgrading our hitting coach position but there are restrictions on the number of "paid" coaches and what they are allowed to do in their job.
I hope the information below clears up some of the misconceptions...
1) A Division 1 baseball program is limited to only 3 paid coaches. By "paid" I'm referring to the coaches can be paid by the university. At LSU, the 3 paid coaches are head coach Paul Mainieri, pitching coach Alan Dunn and recruiting coordinator Nolan Cain.
2) The 3 paid coaches are the only members of the coaching staff who are allowed to recruit off campus.
3) A program is allowed to have 1 "volunteer" coach. This person is allowed to coach players on the field during games and practices. But he is not allowed to recruit off campus. This position is currently occupied by Sean Ochinko.
4) "Volunteer" coaches can be paid, but not by the university. In LSU's case the volunteer hitting coach is paid by TAF and also gets paid for working in the LSU baseball camps.
5) Teams are allowed to have undergraduate volunteer assistant coaches who must be pursuing the completion of his degree while he is part of the non-paid coaching staff. This season that person is former player Jared Foster. He cannot recruit off campus but is allowed to coach on the field during games and practices.
6) Teams are allowed to have other administrative personnel and these positions vary from school to school.
At LSU there is Micah Gibbs, Director of Player Development. He is not allowed to coach players on the field during games and practices nor can he recruit off campus.
Also there is Nate Fury, Director of Baseball Operations. His duties include budgeting and coordinating travel arrangements. He is not allowed to coach on the field and he can not recruit off campus.
Travis Roy is the Strength and Conditioning coach. He is allowed to work with the players in their off-the-field strength an conditioning programs but he is not allowed to coach players during games or practices nor is he allowed to participate in recruiting activities. His office is in the new training facility connected to the batting cage building beyond the right field bleachers.
Jamie Tutko is the Video Coordinator. His duties include videoing and analyzing opponents games for scouting purposes as well as LSU's own games and scrimmages. Not every program has a Video Coordinator.
Teams are allowed to have a Team Trainer. For LSU that person is Cory Couture who is also the team trainer for the men's golf team. He can work in direct contact with players but only on injury prevention and treatment issues. He is not allowed to recruit.
This post was edited on 5/8/19 at 10:19 am
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Posted on 5/8/19 at 9:56 am to LSURussian
1. Hilarious your post was downvoted.
2. I wonder if a push could be made for 4 paid coaches...assuming enough schools want that.
2. I wonder if a push could be made for 4 paid coaches...assuming enough schools want that.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 9:56 am to LSURussian
Here’s a novel idea: hire assistant coaches that can coach AND recruit.
The advantages of having Cain on the payroll and recruiting are immediately outweighed by his inability to even competently coach at third base. He’s the Bradley Dale Peveto of baseball.
The advantages of having Cain on the payroll and recruiting are immediately outweighed by his inability to even competently coach at third base. He’s the Bradley Dale Peveto of baseball.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 9:57 am to DeathValley85
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2. I wonder if a push could be made for 4 paid coaches...assuming enough schools want that.
There was recently and it got shot down by the Big 12 and Big 10, among others. Won't go to another vote until 2021.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 9:58 am to DeathValley85
quote:There was a push for adding another paid coach last month. It was voted down. Article discussing the proposal
. I wonder if a push could be made for 4 paid coaches...assuming enough schools want that.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 9:58 am to LSURussian
Given the level of preparation we seem to have against some opponents, I'm wonder what it is these guys actually do:
quote:
Micah Gibbs, Director of Player Development
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Jamie Tutko is the Video Coordinator
Posted on 5/8/19 at 9:58 am to DeathValley85
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This post was edited on 5/8/19 at 9:59 am
Posted on 5/8/19 at 9:58 am to LSURussian
Thanks. That was good info.
I think at this point, everybody here knows that they can only have 3 paid coaches. That's the beef. Baseball needs 4. Head coach, pitching, hitting and recruiting. That means that one of those 3 has to do double duty or something's got to give.
Right now, CPM doesn't want to do double duty. That means that one of those other two guys, Dunn or Cain has to be both am elite LSU-level recruiter and an elite LSU-level pitching coach or an elite LSU-level hittingccoach and an elite LSU-level pitching coach. That's a tall order. And all of this is because CPM won't do anything but be a figurehead.
That's why everybody is now calling for his figurehead.
ETA : And yes, I saw where you mentioned that TAF pays one of the 'volunteer' coach positions. I'm not sure that non-guaranteed money from the a nonprofit athletic organization is enough to attract an elite-level hitting coach when he can go to another competing University and get a guaranteed contract.
I think at this point, everybody here knows that they can only have 3 paid coaches. That's the beef. Baseball needs 4. Head coach, pitching, hitting and recruiting. That means that one of those 3 has to do double duty or something's got to give.
Right now, CPM doesn't want to do double duty. That means that one of those other two guys, Dunn or Cain has to be both am elite LSU-level recruiter and an elite LSU-level pitching coach or an elite LSU-level hittingccoach and an elite LSU-level pitching coach. That's a tall order. And all of this is because CPM won't do anything but be a figurehead.
That's why everybody is now calling for his figurehead.
ETA : And yes, I saw where you mentioned that TAF pays one of the 'volunteer' coach positions. I'm not sure that non-guaranteed money from the a nonprofit athletic organization is enough to attract an elite-level hitting coach when he can go to another competing University and get a guaranteed contract.
This post was edited on 5/8/19 at 10:03 am
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:00 am to ElOsoBlanco7
quote:
There was recently and it got shot down by the Big 12 and Big 10, among others. Won't go to another vote until 2021.
What is amazing is that there were conferences whose members were told they were voting one way and the rep voted the other way. I'm sure it was entirely coincidental, but every rep that went against their conference's wishes was a woman.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:00 am to LSURussian
Missouri Coaches
Head Coach
Asst / Recruiting
Asst / Hitting
Asst / Pitching
They also show 2 grad assistants
I am guessing they are just not using the word volunteer for the hitting or pitching coach
Head Coach
Asst / Recruiting
Asst / Hitting
Asst / Pitching
They also show 2 grad assistants
I am guessing they are just not using the word volunteer for the hitting or pitching coach
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:02 am to LSURussian
PM will not succeed if he continues to hire so many ex-players.
Quite clear that it is not working.
Ex: Sean Ochinko, Micah Gibbs, Nate Fury, etc.
Might be able to beat teams like Southern and La Tech if we hired actual baseball coaches...
Quite clear that it is not working.
Ex: Sean Ochinko, Micah Gibbs, Nate Fury, etc.
Might be able to beat teams like Southern and La Tech if we hired actual baseball coaches...
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:02 am to LSURussian
Solid Overview - Thanks
It is true and you even hear Skip say it...College baseball has limited resources and 'you've got to recruit talent and then hope they produce'.
There's not some stud hitting coach waiting after every game, giving each player critique and drills to improve.
With that said, we have a ton of experience on staff and they all know how to diagnose a bad approach and/or swing. Question is, how are they working it in? Our lefties are scared to death of lefties...
It is true and you even hear Skip say it...College baseball has limited resources and 'you've got to recruit talent and then hope they produce'.
There's not some stud hitting coach waiting after every game, giving each player critique and drills to improve.
With that said, we have a ton of experience on staff and they all know how to diagnose a bad approach and/or swing. Question is, how are they working it in? Our lefties are scared to death of lefties...
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:04 am to ProjectP2294
quote:THAT I did not know.
every rep that went against their conference's wishes was a woman.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:04 am to LSUJML
Mizzou also has a designated analytics guy, but that's more by luck than by design. He went to them to fill that position, they didn't seek him out (he's an undergrad student). I've read stories about how scouts that were sent to watch Mizzou were also told to interview that kid.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:04 am to ProjectP2294
quote:
What is amazing is that there were conferences whose members were told they were voting one way and the rep voted the other way. I'm sure it was entirely coincidental, but every rep that went against their conference's wishes was a woman.
Reading about the entire situation is just weird. There's no logic behind a lot of the decisions. Some ADs supported the bill when it was introduced, but then voted no when it came down to it.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:06 am to LSURussian
In my opinion, the recruiting coordinator needs to also be the hitting coach. Not an ex pitcher coaching 3rd base. PM needs to do some major changes next season to save his own arse. The crap we’re seeing this season just isn’t going to cut it. This is an all or nothing team and that’s a boat LSU Baseball should never have to be in.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:08 am to LSURussian
Saw that yesterday on Twitter
Looks like she’s catching some heat for it
Looks like she’s catching some heat for it
quote:
For those not up-to-date, multiple sources said the @WCCsports was slated to vote ‘YES’, but Baumgartner voted ‘NO’ for the league. Will be interesting to see what the reasoning was when it comes out in June.
quote:
Per league rules, Baumgartner will have to explain the decision-making process on the third coach legislation this summer at the #WCC AD Meeting. It’s not expected that Baumgartner will provide answers until that happens.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:08 am to ElOsoBlanco7
I think one of the reasons for the ridiculous gaps in logic is that there were backroom deals that they can't talk about, but didn't go through the trouble to think of a coherent response because they didn't think they would be questioned.
Major props to Kendall Rogers for asking the questions.
Major props to Kendall Rogers for asking the questions.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:09 am to LSUJML
quote:Because LSU has always had just one undergrad assistant I was under the impression only one grad assistant is allowed. Obviously that's not the case. I've corrected my OP. Thanks for the info.
They also show 2 grad assistants
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:12 am to ProjectP2294
quote:
Major props to Kendall Rogers for asking the questions.
Dude is seriously leading the troops against these non-transparent admins. Loved hearing him on AFR talking about it and his tweets on the subject are high quality.
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