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re: NCAA rules regarding baseball coaches for Division I
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:12 am to LSURussian
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:12 am to LSURussian
Does LSU baseball camp make some good money? Hire a decent hitting coach and pay them through that LLC and have him work at Marucci on the side.
You could probably pay the volunteer assistant more than most 2nd Assistants in the country with that setup.
You could probably pay the volunteer assistant more than most 2nd Assistants in the country with that setup.
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Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:14 am to LSURussian
It makes it difficult for the recruiting coordinator to do more than 1 job when recruitment is mostly during the season
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:16 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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Does LSU baseball camp make some good money? Hire a decent hitting coach and pay them through that LLC
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4) "Volunteer" coaches can be paid, but not by the university. In LSU's case the volunteer hitting coach is paid by TAF and also gets paid for working in the LSU baseball camps.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:22 am to LSURussian
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At LSU there is Micah Gibbs, Director of Player Development. He is not allowed to coach players on the field during games and practices nor can he recruit off campus.
Also there is Nate Fury, Director of Baseball Operations. His duties include budgeting and coordinating travel arrangements. He is not allowed to coach on the field and he can not recruit off campus.
These two are redundant. WTF does player development do if he can't coach. Watch video all day and do essentially nothing?
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:22 am to LSURussian
I didn’t read your OP because I know the rules... what I don’t know is how big the camps are.
My point stands, however, that LSU could get better than what they currently have.
My point stands, however, that LSU could get better than what they currently have.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:23 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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My point stands, however, that LSU could get better than what they currently have.
How?
Who?
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:26 am to Port Royal
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WTF does player development do if he can't coach. Watch video all day and do essentially nothing?
What he should be doing is figuring out how to turn the data generated by the tech they use into something usable for the coaches. If he's not doing that, then I don't know what value he brings.
For instance, this is what the analytics kid at Mizzou does:
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Kane works with all of the data acquired from our technological systems of Trackman, Rapsodo, HitTrax and Diamond Kinetics. With this data, Kane helps summarize it by creating analytical models, reports, graphs and diagrams to aid the coaching staff in player development and advanced scouting.
Should be a very similar job description for Gibbs.
ETA: That kid also interned with the Pittsburgh Pirates and is doing this while working for Mizzou: "He is currently a junior pursuing a triple major in Mathematics, Statistics and Economics."
This post was edited on 5/8/19 at 10:29 am
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:26 am to GeorgeTheGreek
quote:They're big. There are several summer camps and also "holiday" camps held during the Christmas holidays. The fees are not cheap and they are always filled to capacity.
what I don’t know is how big the camps are.
quote:I am in agreement with you.
My point stands, however, that LSU could get better than what they currently have.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:29 am to LSUJML
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It makes it difficult for the recruiting coordinator to do more than 1 job when recruitment is mostly during the season
Aren't most recruiting classes signed and secured up the fall though?
For instance our 2019 class incoming in the fall was pretty much done in Fall of last year.
This post was edited on 5/8/19 at 10:34 am
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:29 am to LSURussian
I like you, LSUCommie
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:31 am to thunderbird1100
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Aren't most recruiting classes signed a secured up the fall though?
Yes, but the evaluation period runs pretty concurrent with the college schedule, so there are times (I haven't seen it this year but have in the past) where the recruiting coordinator will miss a midweek game to be out recruiting.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:33 am to LSURussian
I'm not (yet) calling for PM's head on a platter. But I will say that if we replace him, I'd prefer a guy that also doubles as either the pitching coach or hitting coach.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:34 am to Gray Tiger
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How?
Hire a decent hitting coach and pay them through the baseball camp LLC and have him work at Marucci on the side. I’ll add in TAF now that I know that’s part of it.
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Who?
Options would be plentiful.
This post was edited on 5/8/19 at 10:35 am
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:35 am to ProjectP2294
quote:Yep. The high school playoffs in late April/early May is the prime off campus recruiting period. And since LSU recruits nationally, that often means the recruiting coordinator is traveling out of state for days at a time.
where the recruiting coordinator will miss a midweek game to be out recruiting.
I remember Smoke Laval making jokes about how much Turtle Thomas was absent from practices and games during the Spring. He commented on how many frequent flier miles Turtle was accumulating.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 11:03 am to ProjectP2294
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Aren't most recruiting classes signed and secured up the fall though? For instance our 2019 class incoming in the fall was pretty much done in Fall of last year.
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Yes, but the evaluation period runs pretty concurrent with the college schedule, so there are times (I haven't seen it this year but have in the past) where the recruiting coordinator will miss a midweek game to be out recruiting.
So then that person would be missing fall ball if they were out recruiting?
Not arguing with y’all, this was brought up on the radio show a few weeks ago & part of the reasoning was if a recruiting coach had dual jobs they couldn’t commit 100% focus to both.
I honestly have no clue how much time it takes to go out & recruit or if a hitting coach was missing fall practices for recruiting would it be that huge of a deal.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 11:08 am to ProjectP2294
Speaking of recruiting, I had the opportunity yesterday to walk through the new strength and conditioning facility which is connected to the batting cages building beyond the right field bleachers.
The workout area on the ground floor has the typical plethora of lifting machines with the upstairs mezzanine area packed with various conditioning equipment.
But the "sizzle" part of the new facility is the private locker room just for the former LSU players who are now or recently in the major leagues. Each player has his own locker with his name plate on it along with graphics of them in their LSU uniforms and in the uniform of their current team. Those players are invited to work out in the off season in the new facility any time they want to do so.
I expect recruiting prospects will be wowed by the number of former LSU players who are professional baseball players.
The workout area on the ground floor has the typical plethora of lifting machines with the upstairs mezzanine area packed with various conditioning equipment.
But the "sizzle" part of the new facility is the private locker room just for the former LSU players who are now or recently in the major leagues. Each player has his own locker with his name plate on it along with graphics of them in their LSU uniforms and in the uniform of their current team. Those players are invited to work out in the off season in the new facility any time they want to do so.
I expect recruiting prospects will be wowed by the number of former LSU players who are professional baseball players.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 11:12 am to LSUJML
I think the time away from the program to recruit really just gives validity to why you may want your hitting coach recruiting versus your pitching coach. I don't really think it's a valid justification for a recruiting coordinator with no on-field specialty.
I was just meaning to clarify the scheduling conflicts that can come up.
I think Cain has done a fine job recruiting for the most part, but it's still strange that he was promoted to recruiting coordinator with no actual off campus recruiting experience. And given our performance on the basepaths, it's not very clear that he's developing as a third base coach which is his only on-field responsibility.
I was just meaning to clarify the scheduling conflicts that can come up.
I think Cain has done a fine job recruiting for the most part, but it's still strange that he was promoted to recruiting coordinator with no actual off campus recruiting experience. And given our performance on the basepaths, it's not very clear that he's developing as a third base coach which is his only on-field responsibility.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 11:18 am to LSURussian
Don’t the other schools who are kicking our arse have to follow the same rules as us?
Posted on 5/8/19 at 11:20 am to ProjectP2294
Thanks for clarifying, something needs to change & IMO it needs to start with a hitting coach I’m just not sure of the best way to accomplish it.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 11:22 am to ProjectP2294
quote:I get accused of being a sunshine pumper for the baseball program and I'm damn proud of it. Id much rather be a supporter than someone who constantly denigrates our program.
I think Cain has done a fine job recruiting for the most part,
But for the life of me I don't understand how any type of prospect evaluation system could ever identify some of our pitchers as SEC quality arms.
I won't name names but some of the ones I'm referring to pitched last night.
Conversely, how did the La Tech starting left-handed pitcher not qualify as being good enough to pitch for LSU? He made our best hitters look dazed and confused by his slider.
These are some things I think about when I'm lying awake at 3 AM.....
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