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re: NCAA rules regarding baseball coaches for Division I
Posted on 5/8/19 at 12:06 pm to lsudbuwhoareu
Posted on 5/8/19 at 12:06 pm to lsudbuwhoareu
Still you aren’t getting a well established coach to volunteer or not be an on the field coach. The issue is Cain’s real strength being in recruiting and not coaching.
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Posted on 5/8/19 at 12:11 pm to nola000
UCLA’s hc is the pitching coach and he has two paid hitting coaches.
Must be nice.
Seems like all the other top teams have a paid hc, pitching coach, and hitting coach who is also the recruiting coordinator. Seems to be the standard.
Wish we had a legit paid hitting coach.. like all the other top teams.
Must be nice.
Seems like all the other top teams have a paid hc, pitching coach, and hitting coach who is also the recruiting coordinator. Seems to be the standard.
Wish we had a legit paid hitting coach.. like all the other top teams.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 12:11 pm to LSURussian
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Not that I know of, besides whatever budget limit TAF sets internally.
So in theory, teams with the resources to do so could have a 4th decently compensated coach who could do everything except for recruit off campus?
Posted on 5/8/19 at 12:14 pm to LSURussian
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Is there a limit on how much the "volunteer" coach can be paid?
Not that I know of, besides whatever budget limit TAF sets internally.
If this is true then I just don't understand how Ochinko got put in that role. Ochinko could have been given another title such as Gbbs and Fury (which he was already before he got promoted to hitting coach). If there's no limit on those type of positions then bring in all of the former players you want and give them titles. The more, the merrier. Who cares. But there's no reason TAF couldn't pay the equivalent of Alan Dunn to be the hitting coach for the same salary if there is no limit.
The information in this thread has only added to my frustration with the coaching situation.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 12:18 pm to ccox11
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But there's no reason TAF couldn't pay the equivalent of Alan Dunn to be the hitting coach for the same salary if there is no limit.
Is it maybe a benefits thing? Is the person an "employee" of TAF, or just getting a 1099?
I'm a dork so I'm curious about the mechanics of this.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 12:30 pm to Mr. Hangover
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LOL at LSU baseball fans not only do y’all MFers want to fire every coach you’ve ever seen, you are now resorting to wanting the NCAA to change rules to appease your want for a new hitting coach..
Sounds like plenty of schools were interested in adding a baseball coach. What a weak arse troll attempt this was.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 1:25 pm to ccox11
quote:I understand HOW he got put in the role of 'volunteer' hitting coach.
If this is true then I just don't understand how Ochinko got put in that role.
Micah Gibbs was made the volunteer hitting coach after Cannizaro left his job as paid hitting coach to go to Miss St. Two weeks before the 2018 season began, Gibbs tore his knee up playing a pickup basketball game and had surgery. So he would not be able to swing a bat demonstrating hitting.
Mainieri was faced with finding a proven hitting coach just two weeks before the season started who would accept being a "volunteer" hitting coach.
So Mainieri put Ochinko in the slot since he had been the undergraduate assistant with the team the season before.
I guess my question is why did we keep Ochinko around after the 2018 season concluded? IMO, his lack of hitting coaching skills were apparent last season.
This post was edited on 5/8/19 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 5/8/19 at 1:29 pm to LSURussian
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His option was to put Ochinko in the slot since he had been the undergraduate assistant with the team the season before.
He actually put Gibbs in that spot and they went to the NC series and they turned it around offensively towards the end of the season. Last year Gibbs had knee surgery prior to the season and that’s when Ochinko was promoted. Why he kept it the same after last year is the question?
Posted on 5/8/19 at 1:30 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:He may be. I really don't know.
Interesting. I kinda had him pegged as a John Chavis - type person. Perfectly happy to be an assistant forever, just wants to coach and not hassle with the issues of running a program.
I thought he might have been considered for the Alabama HC job which was open the last two consecutive seasons. Dunn played at Alabama and was on their 1983 College World Series runners-up team.
But apparently, he was never in the running or maybe he never applied or let it be known he was interested.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 1:32 pm to geauxtigers33
quote:You're right. I forgot about that chain of events. What proven hitting coach would have been available two weeks before the season started and who would accept being a "volunteer" hitting coach by the time the season's practice started? Good catch.
Last year Gibbs had knee surgery prior to the season and that’s when Ochinko was promoted.
EDIT: I edited my post to correct it.
This post was edited on 5/8/19 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 5/8/19 at 1:49 pm to LSURussian
Yes and we don’t know what the thinking was. Maybe they reached out to some guys and they said no because it wasn’t going to be a full time assistant but a volunteer role.
It’s not all about throwing money at someone. The title means something as well. Most places are going to want their full time assistants to be able to recruit. You aren’t getting any recruiting experience as a volunteer coach so the chances of moving up aren’t very great.
It’s not all about throwing money at someone. The title means something as well. Most places are going to want their full time assistants to be able to recruit. You aren’t getting any recruiting experience as a volunteer coach so the chances of moving up aren’t very great.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 1:50 pm to LSURussian
I get all that with Cannizaro leaving and Gibbs/Ochinko taking over on an interim basis. My point is that if money is not the issue (which it shouldn't be if TAF has the option of paying the volunteer coach whatever they want), I don't understand how an actual hitting coach with experience wasn't hired during the 2017 season, after the 2017 season, during the 2018 season, after the 2018 season, still to this day... I was under the assumption that Ochinko was still the hitting coach only because he was getting paid pennies while Dunn and Cain were getting paid. If the hitting coach can actually get paid by TAF, I REALLY don't understand the past 2 years of coaching decisions....
Posted on 5/8/19 at 1:56 pm to ccox11
Are you under the assumption that TAF is going to just give CPM a blank check to hire his Volunteer assistant?
Posted on 5/8/19 at 1:57 pm to ccox11
I'll just refer to the post above yours:
I don't pretend to know Mainieri's thoughts regarding his decision to hire and keep Ochinko as volunteer hitting coach.
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It’s not all about throwing money at someone. The title means something as well. Most places are going to want their full time assistants to be able to recruit. You aren’t getting any recruiting experience as a volunteer coach so the chances of moving up aren’t very great.
I don't pretend to know Mainieri's thoughts regarding his decision to hire and keep Ochinko as volunteer hitting coach.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 2:02 pm to geauxtigers33
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Are you under the assumption that TAF is going to just give CPM a blank check to hire his Volunteer assistant?
Yes. Basically. Within reason. (Meaning not exceeding Dunn's salary.)
We are the #1 baseball program in the country. Baseball is arguably the #2 most supported sport at the university. We are a $100+ million athletic department. Why wouldn't the TAF write a check equal to Dunn's salary for a 4th paid baseball coach???
Like I said in my previous post, it wouldn't even require any additional fundraising. Just take it out of whatever TAF is already sending to the athletic department. Then it is essentially like the athletic department is paying it anyway.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 6:47 pm to ccox11
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Why wouldn't the TAF write a check
My gut reaction is that it has to do with the benefits or lack thereof. I assume you can't offer insurance, 401K, retirement, etc.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 8:04 pm to LSURussian
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4) "Volunteer" coaches can be paid, but not by the university. In LSU's case the volunteer hitting coach is paid by TAF and also gets paid for working in the LSU baseball camps.
Those camps pull in a crazy amount of money. I've worked them a few times and talked about it with them and you'd be surprised.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 8:10 pm to ProjectP2294
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Mizzou also has a designated analytics guy, but that's more by luck than by design. He went to them to fill that position, they didn't seek him out (he's an undergrad student). I've read stories about how scouts that were sent to watch Mizzou were also told to interview that kid.
Micah Gibbs does this
Posted on 5/9/19 at 10:19 am to Carville
To piggy back on some of the things other programs are doing to separate themselves, there is a good article on Baseball America that talks about the pitching lab at Wake Forest that coach Tom Walter (former UNO coach) had installed. It's behind a paywall I think, but I will copy and paste some paragraphs:
LINK to article
These are the people on staff there:
One of a few success stories from the article:
LINK to article
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Walter first jumped on board with the explosion of baseball analytics in determining such factors as spin rate. Yet he realized there was more to it than simply deciphering raw pitching data.
Instead of seeking private alumni donations to add personnel, Walter and the university sought a partnership with Wake Forest Baptist Medical Center. In addition to helping raise $300,000 that was pumped into the pitching lab, Wake Forest Baptist agreed to hire a team physician and a director of the pitching lab.
The foremost pitching labs in the country, such as Driveline in Washington and the American Sports Medicine Institute in Alabama, served as models for the Wake Forest lab and worked in a collaborative manner to help them.
These are the people on staff there:
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Dr. Brian Waterman is an associate professor of orthopedic surgery at Wake Forest Baptist Medical Center, where he specializes in cartilage restoration and shoulder/elbow care. When he was at Chicago’s Rush Medical Center he also was a team physician with the White Sox.
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Kristen Nicholson might be the key cog in the operation. She did her visitation for her doctorate at the University of Delaware, where she examined upper extremities, specifically scapular and shoulder blade mechanics.
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That information is then presented to Mark Seaver, Wake Forest’s assistant director of sports performance for baseball, who can recommend exercises that both strengthen pitchers’ bodies and prevent injuries. Seaver, who pitched four seasons in the Orioles and Athletics organizations, was twice felled by shoulder surgeries.
One of a few success stories from the article:
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Staff ace Colin Peluse, a junior righthander from Middletown, Del., possessed the highest arm speed with the highest stress on his elbow and the lowest hip-shoulder separation of all the Wake Forest pitchers when the lab began operations. A simple adjustment in his hip mobility has him sporting the lowest stress on his elbow.
“His command is much better and he is able to get to the glove side of the plate better now that his hip mobility is better,” Walter said.
This post was edited on 5/9/19 at 10:20 am
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