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re: Napier is impressive
Posted on 10/13/21 at 8:47 am to Midtiger farm
Posted on 10/13/21 at 8:47 am to Midtiger farm
Look, all I am saying is I would rather hire a guy who has been impressive vs maybe a top 50 SOS as opposed to ULL’s 112 SOS.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 8:47 am to RaginAstros
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The second you lose two SEC games, the following week you will be replaced. LSU will never, ever be Alabama. Delusional fanbase. Napier would never coach in BTR. Go after FREEZE..lol...lol....
Troll much...
Posted on 10/13/21 at 8:53 am to luciouslou
I'm actually kind of pulling for him just for the melt.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 9:02 am to luciouslou
What’s the current talent level comparison between ULL and App St?
Not sure how to gauge that win last night.
Not sure how to gauge that win last night.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 9:02 am to RogerTheShrubber
Not saying he is the guy or should be the guy but he is the only ULL head coach to have an overall winning record since the 1960's. All other coaches since then have had .500 or below career records at ULL. He is currently sitting at .733 win %. Really think he has a chance to be a really good P5 coach just don't think it will be here.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 9:05 am to luciouslou
Relax guys they benefitted from 4 turnovers! They still git boatraced by Texas. That says he is doing a great job there!
Posted on 10/13/21 at 9:12 am to luciouslou
The thing with Napier, would LSU fans be as excited about the prospects of brining him to Baton Rouge if he were doing this at Texas State or Georgia Southern?
The fact that he's an hour down the road may be clouding people's judgement. I'm not saying I don't think he'd do well here but he's a total wildcard.
He's yet to win the Sun Belt (which is the worst G5 conference IMO) so that's not great.
The fact that he's an hour down the road may be clouding people's judgement. I'm not saying I don't think he'd do well here but he's a total wildcard.
He's yet to win the Sun Belt (which is the worst G5 conference IMO) so that's not great.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 9:19 am to ibldprplgld
ULl currently has 3 4 stars and 48 3 stars(up from 2/18 when Napier started when they were coming off 3 straight losing seasons). oevreall points= 513
App State has 1 four star & 63 3 stars. overall points=502
App State has 1 four star & 63 3 stars. overall points=502
Posted on 10/13/21 at 9:22 am to RaginAstros
quote:Weird, he lost 2 early SEC games to unspectacular teams and still hasn't been replaced.
The second you lose two SEC games, the following week you will be replaced
quote:No one in consideration for LSU or any other quality HC job would ever look at the LSU situation from afar and regard Orgeron as a good coach worthy of another year. Acting as if candidates would be bothered by his firing is delusional, everyone know he sucks and there's no way out of this. Same with Miles before him (and it took us until 2016 to fire him despite the long decline).
LSU will never, ever be Alabama. Delusional fanbase. Napier would never coach in BTR.
quote:Myriad obvious reasons to say no aside, with the cultural rot and constant compliance issues under O's tenure, following him up with Freeze would make it more likely that we'd get the death penalty than win a conference title. Delusional.
Go after FREEZE
This post was edited on 10/13/21 at 9:23 am
Posted on 10/13/21 at 9:37 am to luciouslou
I want to hire him just to piss off the ULL fans
This post was edited on 10/13/21 at 9:38 am
Posted on 10/13/21 at 9:47 am to luciouslou
Shouldn't look at wins-losses and stats too much in a coaching search. Yes, some, but it isn't the end all be all because it needs to be taken contextually/situationally. Saban didn't have a great record at MSU mostly because he was up against Mich, tOSU, and often ND on the field and off. But he damn sure improved them and no one took MSU for granted any longer once he got settled in.
Things I would look at:
- how efficient are the practices. You are severly limited in time (20 hrs.). You have to make the most of every minute.
- In his past jobs how much did his team (or position group) participate in "voluntary" workouts. How deep into a S&C program did his team (or position group) get? This is a key indicator of leadership and motivation. If he can get 20 yr. olds to do voluntarily work they really don't feel like doing- you have a leader.
- what's their film study/analysis like. There's two types, game planning and improving the player (individual). Those obviously intersect, and they should in the film rooms. Is that data retained AND used in future analysis for "lessons learned"? Is that data, if retained, cross-referenced to common opponents (such as lookin at how UF played Bama and then UGA to see what changes they made before the UGA game to predict what changes they are likely to implement before we play them)?
- Are both sides of the ball "systems" or do they at least tweak what they do based on the opponent. The "we do what we do" approach, to game planning, is easier to defeat because your opponent is likely studying/analyzing you and then adjusting to defeat you.
- Is there "balance" with the other 9 coaches. By that I mean to do they go out and do only what they are instructed or are they free to coach with oversight. Those position coaches are your key to player development. And their morale/attitude will have the most impact on the attitude of the players. Conversely are the 9 assistants doing their own thing with no oversight, or worse- without implementing with the other side of the ball or position groups (e.g. PGC/QB coach isn't referencing passpro with OL coach and RB coach).
- Are all coaches, including head coach, stressing fundamentals all year- camps, drills, game prep, spring, fall, etc. All day every day. This is the first step to NOT sustaining success because players tend to cut corners the better they play. It's natural and nothing against the players, but you have to stay on top of it because without the fundamentals execution falters and from there everything from drills to film study becomes less effective.
- Recruiting. Now there's a 1001 ways to skin this cat. And it varies by recruit. But a HC has to have a general framework of the strategy AND how to implement that strategy. Get specific such as "how are you going to handle not enough OL locally for this level?", "what's your preferred roster numbers look like?"
Things I would look at:
- how efficient are the practices. You are severly limited in time (20 hrs.). You have to make the most of every minute.
- In his past jobs how much did his team (or position group) participate in "voluntary" workouts. How deep into a S&C program did his team (or position group) get? This is a key indicator of leadership and motivation. If he can get 20 yr. olds to do voluntarily work they really don't feel like doing- you have a leader.
- what's their film study/analysis like. There's two types, game planning and improving the player (individual). Those obviously intersect, and they should in the film rooms. Is that data retained AND used in future analysis for "lessons learned"? Is that data, if retained, cross-referenced to common opponents (such as lookin at how UF played Bama and then UGA to see what changes they made before the UGA game to predict what changes they are likely to implement before we play them)?
- Are both sides of the ball "systems" or do they at least tweak what they do based on the opponent. The "we do what we do" approach, to game planning, is easier to defeat because your opponent is likely studying/analyzing you and then adjusting to defeat you.
- Is there "balance" with the other 9 coaches. By that I mean to do they go out and do only what they are instructed or are they free to coach with oversight. Those position coaches are your key to player development. And their morale/attitude will have the most impact on the attitude of the players. Conversely are the 9 assistants doing their own thing with no oversight, or worse- without implementing with the other side of the ball or position groups (e.g. PGC/QB coach isn't referencing passpro with OL coach and RB coach).
- Are all coaches, including head coach, stressing fundamentals all year- camps, drills, game prep, spring, fall, etc. All day every day. This is the first step to NOT sustaining success because players tend to cut corners the better they play. It's natural and nothing against the players, but you have to stay on top of it because without the fundamentals execution falters and from there everything from drills to film study becomes less effective.
- Recruiting. Now there's a 1001 ways to skin this cat. And it varies by recruit. But a HC has to have a general framework of the strategy AND how to implement that strategy. Get specific such as "how are you going to handle not enough OL locally for this level?", "what's your preferred roster numbers look like?"
Posted on 10/13/21 at 10:37 am to BayouCowboy
App. State was a top 30 team. Only lose was by 2 to Miami-FL.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 10:54 am to msptigers
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Where was OP when ULL was barely scraping by shitty South Alabama last week or Georgia Southern the week before?
Where was the rant when the Westfold fell?
Posted on 10/13/21 at 10:57 am to luciouslou
yep, and that is because he has better players. All LSU's top players are 'injured' or leaving. I'd pay him double what he now makes and say keep doing what you are doing. LSU would win just as many games as it would with a 10 million dollar coach and the best staff in the country.
Posted on 10/14/21 at 11:21 am to ImayGoLesMiles
I think you and all those with the silly “ULL type school” idiotic mindset are delusional. Napier is “driving a Nissan Maxima” and beating Mustangs.
At LSU he’d have the keys to a Lamborghini.
The idea that he can’t make it at LSU because he hasn’t coached at P5 level yet is just ignorant and moronic.
He has the clout of being a top Savannah protégé, college football experts and insiders overwhelmingly believe he’s on “Dabo’s level” and that he even compares favorably to the “offensive version” of Sagan himself. He has proven to be a top level recruiter, top level coach, teacher and morivator.
He is supremely intelligent and knows what the hell he’s doing. He is the opposite of “throw something against the wall and see what sticks”—he knows what his “best foot” is and will approach building he is teams and the program with “his best foot forward”.
He has recruited the “SEC talent hotbed” of GA, AL, MS, AR, TN, and (especially in last 5 years) LOUISIANA with great success—and will only gain “transferred credibility” and recruiting firepower at LSU.
Not only could LSU do A LOT WORSE, but I believe Napier is probably the BEST option. He turned down USCe because it’s too far geographically from the richest talent region of East Texas to Florida/Georgia line. He turned down Auburn because he is looking for complete autonomy/final day of the program and a University-level commitment to keeping the “Power Boosters” out of his hair.
I don’t know if Woodward can/will offer that, but if he did, Napier will be the coach at LSU, and my money says he leaves LSU when HE is ready. Hopefully he’d choose to (try and very likely make LSU) the next 20-30 years contender/TOP NOTCH program that Alabama (and to a slightly lesser extent Clemson and tOSU) is; including a handful of national championships and a position of prestige even Nick Saban didn’t achieve (only because he made what was, in his words, his worst career decision to leave LSU and go to the NFL).
This very likely could all be something we’ll never know, but I for one am hoping hard that LSU does what it needs to in order to move Napier’s “office” 59 miles East!
At LSU he’d have the keys to a Lamborghini.
The idea that he can’t make it at LSU because he hasn’t coached at P5 level yet is just ignorant and moronic.
He has the clout of being a top Savannah protégé, college football experts and insiders overwhelmingly believe he’s on “Dabo’s level” and that he even compares favorably to the “offensive version” of Sagan himself. He has proven to be a top level recruiter, top level coach, teacher and morivator.
He is supremely intelligent and knows what the hell he’s doing. He is the opposite of “throw something against the wall and see what sticks”—he knows what his “best foot” is and will approach building he is teams and the program with “his best foot forward”.
He has recruited the “SEC talent hotbed” of GA, AL, MS, AR, TN, and (especially in last 5 years) LOUISIANA with great success—and will only gain “transferred credibility” and recruiting firepower at LSU.
Not only could LSU do A LOT WORSE, but I believe Napier is probably the BEST option. He turned down USCe because it’s too far geographically from the richest talent region of East Texas to Florida/Georgia line. He turned down Auburn because he is looking for complete autonomy/final day of the program and a University-level commitment to keeping the “Power Boosters” out of his hair.
I don’t know if Woodward can/will offer that, but if he did, Napier will be the coach at LSU, and my money says he leaves LSU when HE is ready. Hopefully he’d choose to (try and very likely make LSU) the next 20-30 years contender/TOP NOTCH program that Alabama (and to a slightly lesser extent Clemson and tOSU) is; including a handful of national championships and a position of prestige even Nick Saban didn’t achieve (only because he made what was, in his words, his worst career decision to leave LSU and go to the NFL).
This very likely could all be something we’ll never know, but I for one am hoping hard that LSU does what it needs to in order to move Napier’s “office” 59 miles East!
Posted on 10/14/21 at 12:26 pm to tigerdup07
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it's been turned around for quite some time now.
hell bustle turned it around years ago.
hudspbeth and napier just added a little of their touch to make it even more impressive.
Are you serious? Bustle's best season was 6-6 and ULL was 3-9 when he handed the keys to Hudspeth.
And all of Hudspeth's 9 win seasons had to be vacated due to NCAA violations. After that, the best he could manage was 6-7.
Napier has given ULL their only 10+ win seasons in program history.
Posted on 10/14/21 at 12:32 pm to skullhawk
Sunbelt is a much better football conference than CUSA. Either way, Napier is a great coach and would be a great hire for LSU.
Posted on 10/14/21 at 12:42 pm to Peterson Was In
Good because we will probably get our 4th or 5th pick. I'm willing to try Napier....but don't pay him a nickel over 1.5 million with incentives for the first 3 years. IF he works out, he can make more as he develops the team.
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