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re: Moscona is right about Kelly being right.
Posted on 1/15/25 at 8:55 pm to Cuz413
Posted on 1/15/25 at 8:55 pm to Cuz413
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If it was so great, why did he leave? He could be there now in the championship game
Maybe try reading the first post of the thread. You know, where it gives the exact answer to this.
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Posted on 1/15/25 at 8:57 pm to LSBoosie
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Why should I believe Moscona knows anything about what kind of money Notre Dame was putting into football before or after Kelly left? Because he went there for his freshman year of college then left?
What a dumbass. He literally played clips of Brady Quinn describing that Notre Dame hadn’t invested and Kelly’s comments after departure sparked them to rally for funding.
Not Moscona saying it.
Quinn said it and Moscona played it.
Posted on 1/15/25 at 9:04 pm to GentleJackJones
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Okay. Well, now that Freeman has comparable resources as Kelly, Freeman has his team playing in the NC. All the while, Kelly won the Texas Bowl after losing to USC by 7 (who Notre Dame beat by 14), losing to A&M by 15 (who Notre Dame beat by 10), losing to the worst Alabama team in 17 years by 29, and losing to a very average Florida team by 11.
What’s your excuse now?
Freeman took over a program that went to a semifinal playoff game in 2020. Kelly took over a program that only had 39 scholarship players, it's not even a comparable situation. You've got to give Kelly time to key players he needs and stock the deph chart back to top cfb levels
Posted on 1/15/25 at 9:08 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
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Maybe try reading the first post of the thread. You know, where it gives the exact answer to this.
The op doesn't say Kelly left the program in the best shape in decades, it said he left because according to some, they weren't spending money.
But they spent the money after he left. So how could he be responsible for them taking action after he left?
Is it not possible they see Freeman as a better coach and now are willing to spend the money?
I mean, if Kelly is so good, why not spend the money on the program so as to retain him?
It doesn't add up.
Posted on 1/15/25 at 9:11 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
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He didn't say he knew anything about what kind of money ND was spending. He was discussing Brady Quinn's podcast, where Quinn said it.
Just listened to it. He also said that he doesn't want to keep bringing it up then proceeded to spend an entire segment talking about it 2 days in a row. In today’s segment when he talked about it again, he basically said BK is lying about being “misinterpreted”
Brady Quinn talks about how he started the collective in January 2022. LSU didn't even have a collective until January 2023. LSU was literally a full year behind Notre Dame when it comes to the collective. They did in a month the same thing that it took LSU a year to do.
This post was edited on 1/15/25 at 9:30 pm
Posted on 1/15/25 at 9:12 pm to Cuz413
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If it was so great, why did he leave? He could be there now in the championship game.
They were literally in the cfb semifinal the yr before he left, id say that's miles ahead of where Orgeron left LSU for BK to take over
Posted on 1/15/25 at 9:14 pm to GentleJackJones
It’s easy, Kelly has not had a defense for 3 years now. So we lose 3/4 games a year with crap defenses and that is the fact of the matter.
Posted on 1/15/25 at 9:15 pm to Cuz413
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But they spent the money after he left. So how could he be responsible for them taking action after he left?
Is it not possible they see Freeman as a better coach and now are willing to spend the money?
I mean, if Kelly is so good, why not spend the money on the program so as to retain him?
It doesn't add up.
Well when BK was there, there wasn't a transfer portal and NIL, so they couldn't spend money on players legally
Posted on 1/15/25 at 9:20 pm to Kajuntiger121110
quote:Well if you are going to say that you could also say Kelly took over a program that won the national title in 2019
Freeman took over a program that went to a semifinal playoff game in 2020
That’s only 1 year difference
Posted on 1/15/25 at 9:22 pm to 777Tiger
It's the same dumbasses like you that wanted to run Saban out of town after his first and second years.
Posted on 1/15/25 at 9:30 pm to 777Tiger
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may have wanted the toys and saw what it did for other schools but he's in over his head now, NIL/free agency or not
Oh, STFU. You people are insufferable.
Posted on 1/15/25 at 10:24 pm to 777Tiger
Seems to be doing just fine recruiting and hitting the portal at least.
Can you honestly say LSU doesn't have as much shot as a NC if not better than the rest of the NCAA next season? Do tell me who you think on paper is better than LSU next season right now looking at rosters.
Don't give me BK can't coach. Name me 3 coaches in the playoffs that you can honestly say are better and more accomplished coaches than what he has done? ND just steamrolled right to the NC game on the luckiest schedule ever alongside an extremely weak playoff bracket. Franklin is worse than BK in big games and he was a few plays away from making a NC.
I'm not the biggest BK fan and I have my own criticisms but this board is not realistic at all with their criticisms. You need a little luck to make it to the NC regardless who you are.
Can you honestly say LSU doesn't have as much shot as a NC if not better than the rest of the NCAA next season? Do tell me who you think on paper is better than LSU next season right now looking at rosters.
Don't give me BK can't coach. Name me 3 coaches in the playoffs that you can honestly say are better and more accomplished coaches than what he has done? ND just steamrolled right to the NC game on the luckiest schedule ever alongside an extremely weak playoff bracket. Franklin is worse than BK in big games and he was a few plays away from making a NC.
I'm not the biggest BK fan and I have my own criticisms but this board is not realistic at all with their criticisms. You need a little luck to make it to the NC regardless who you are.
This post was edited on 1/15/25 at 10:27 pm
Posted on 1/15/25 at 10:27 pm to friendlyobservation
Douchescona sucks
Posted on 1/16/25 at 1:43 am to Cuz413
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The op doesn't say Kelly left the program in the best shape in decades, it said he left because according to some, they weren't spending money.
But they spent the money after he left. So how could he be responsible for them taking action after he left?
Is it not possible they see Freeman as a better coach and now are willing to spend the money?
I mean, if Kelly is so good, why not spend the money on the program so as to retain him?
It doesn't add up.
They also got a new athletic director in that time.
There is definitely some truth to the fact that Notre Dame is investing more in their football program now. For instance, one of BK's complaints there was staff salaries, yet they went and made Denbrock the highest paid OC in the country this past offseason.
My opinion is that BK leaving kickstarted some of that, a Notre Dame coach had never taken a "lateral transfer ", you have to believe that woke them up.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 1:51 am to FlyFishinTiger
BK took the LSU job to fatten his retirement fund, plain and simple. ND wasn't going to pay him $10 million a year. It wasn't necessarily a good thing to win the west in year one. The expectations simply got more and more difficult. Anyone recall McIlwain at Florida? Put Kelly had ZERO excuses in. 2024, and basically laid an egg. $100 million to go play in a shite bag bowl game in Houston. Thanks Woodward
Posted on 1/16/25 at 6:27 am to 225Tyga
I remember when Miles won in year three Saban was responsible.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 6:30 am to GentleJackJones
quote:You can’t really believe Freeman had the same work to do at ND for the past 3 years as Kelly at LSU.
What’s your excuse now?
Posted on 1/16/25 at 6:36 am to 225Tyga
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so now Kelly is responsible for NDs success?
YES!
Posted on 1/16/25 at 6:43 am to FlyFishinTiger
Excellent points. Sometimes losing a Good Coach leads to the program changing how they do things and end up making the program better despite a lesser Coach.
Now I am not saying Freeman is a lesser Coach but there have been times in past programs where worse Coaches have done better when the program upgrades itself with investments into the facilities and now NIL.
Now I am not saying Freeman is a lesser Coach but there have been times in past programs where worse Coaches have done better when the program upgrades itself with investments into the facilities and now NIL.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 6:46 am to FlyFishinTiger
Kelly is still the worst
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