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re: Missed field goal result of not being ready?
Posted on 9/24/12 at 9:59 am to alajones
Posted on 9/24/12 at 9:59 am to alajones
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Typical Miles clock management. Nothing should be surprising at this point.
This isn't even a clock management issue...this is an example of the little things that account for home field advantage.
regardless, the snap and hold were fine.
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 10:06 am to Golfer
You are right. Alleman should literally be able to make that short of a kick with his eyes closed.
Posted on 9/24/12 at 10:43 am to Icansee4miles
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Les didn't know what down it was. Seriously, it appeared he was asking Krags that while the clock was ticking
That's EXACTLY what happened. CLM had no clue as to what down it was. Poor clock management once again rears its ugly head.
Posted on 9/24/12 at 10:49 am to Golfer
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This isn't even a clock management issue...this is an example of the little things that account for home field advantage.
regardless, the snap and hold were fine.
bullshite! You can't tell me that rushing an execution doesn't affect a kicker's performance.
Posted on 9/24/12 at 11:06 am to BabySam
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good info, thanks! watching the replay last night i was trying to do the math for the play clock/game clock when i heard the whistle from the field. this definitely brings light to how the chain of events went.
I looked it up in the NCAA rule book last night because I couldn't believe how little time we had to get the kicking unit on the field and get the kick off with the clock running. I was thinking since they declined the penalty, we should get the 40 second running play clock. But the rule book theory is that the "penalty administration" (i.e. regardless of outcome of the penalty) stops the clcok and gives both teams more time than they would have with a 40 second clock. Also makes sense that Auburn got extra time when we were trying to kill the clock because we committed a penalty-deterrent to committing a penalty.
This post was edited on 9/24/12 at 11:08 am
Posted on 9/24/12 at 11:11 am to oleskuledude
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That's EXACTLY what happened. CLM had no clue as to what down it was. Poor clock management once again rears its ugly head.
Because of the dammed penalty.
I was 6 rows up on the 35, basically right even with Les when all this happened.
Kicking team was ready, offense was on the field, it was VERY loud and you could not hear Ritter's call on the field NOR could you see him from the LSU sideline at our vantage point.
Les asked those in the box what down it was and the team was sent out.
Posted on 9/24/12 at 11:19 am to Golfer
No, no, no.
It is not possible that there were factors that played into this other than the "our coach understands less football than the average soccer mom" explanation.
It is not possible that there were factors that played into this other than the "our coach understands less football than the average soccer mom" explanation.
Posted on 9/24/12 at 11:29 am to oompaw
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We had no more timeouts. Two were wasted because of confusion on play calls earlier in the half.
That is 100% Miles' fault.
Posted on 9/24/12 at 11:31 am to BabySam
Bad coaching of course.
Posted on 9/24/12 at 11:41 am to BabySam
"On the flip side, what's your thoughts on us making the FG and then having to kickoff? Was it a blessing in disguise with having Auburn pinned deep in their territory?"
This makes no sense, how the hell could it be a blessing. Eighty percent of our kickoffs go out of the endzone, so if we make the field goal they have to go 75 yards and score a touchdown. Missing the filed goal they had to go approximately 40 to 50 yards for a legit FG try.
But, having our FG team running out on the field in disarray was awful clock management. Either be ready (which isn't that difficult), or take the delay and every second you can off the clock and its still only a 39 yarder and noone is rushing. I like Les, but God knows he is absolutely brain-dead when it comes to time management.
Posted on 9/24/12 at 12:26 pm to AlxTgr
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Which part?
Not immediately sending a ready FG unit on the field the second the penalty was declined.
Posted on 9/24/12 at 12:36 pm to alajones
This happens all the time in NFL and college. Honestly, I think coaches should tell the punter/holder just to take the delay of game if it is within the 20 yard line just so the kicker isn't rushed.
Posted on 9/24/12 at 12:38 pm to BabySam
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are you a dick IRL also?
Posted on 9/24/12 at 1:04 pm to ttigermike
Miles stated that AU took a good bit of time to think about the penalty and that delayed them getting the FG team on the field.
I really dont get where the time went after the penalty was declined. It wasnt like there was 40 sec of empty field for us. The FG team ran on fairly fast and there was 12 sec left when they started to line up.
I really dont get where the time went after the penalty was declined. It wasnt like there was 40 sec of empty field for us. The FG team ran on fairly fast and there was 12 sec left when they started to line up.
Posted on 9/24/12 at 1:16 pm to BabySam
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On the flip side, what's your thoughts on us making the FG and then having to kickoff? Was it a blessing in disguise with having Auburn pinned deep in their territory?
No, you are a fool and should refrain from coaching discussions. We should have went for it on 4th if we wanted to pin them deep. That way, there would be a chance of winning the game right there and if we turned it over it wouldn't be 7 yards back. Missing a field goal was the absolute worst thing that could happen.
Posted on 9/24/12 at 1:29 pm to TheSexecutioner
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and if we turned it over it wouldn't be 7 yards back
When did the NCAA adopt the NFL rule?
Posted on 9/24/12 at 1:30 pm to Antonio Moss
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Not immediately sending a ready FG unit on the field the second the penalty was declined.
He did it IMMEDIATELY following confirmation of the down.
Christ.
Posted on 9/24/12 at 1:34 pm to Larry Hollins
Surely you guys know that it would have indeed been 3rd down had the penalty been accepted, right? It's a fact that it was up-for-decision as to what down it was going to be (and totally Auburn's decision, not ours).
It obviously wouldn't have been smart of Auburn to accept the penalty, but nonetheless they could have and it indeed would have been third down had they accepted the penalty.
Anyone who wasn't in "WTF is going on and how is this penalty going to affect the down and clock" mode at that moment is lying to you.....Anyone watching the game would have been well aware that it was a unique and somewhat confusing chain-of-events that took a brief moment to figure out what needed to happen next and in a hurry.
All that said, we got the FG team out in plenty of time and got the kick off. The 25sec vs 40sec playclock definitely rushed things, and if people don't understand that 25 seconds is less than 40 seconds, I'm not sure what to tell you. We couldn't send the FG team out until we had confirmed that the penalty was declined and it was 4th down, but by that point the 25sec had already started which led to the whole process being naturally rushed given the circumstances.
The thing to criticize here is not having any timeouts left at that point. obviously if you have a timeout you can call it at that point, and exterminate the entire chaotic situation, but we didn't.
It obviously wouldn't have been smart of Auburn to accept the penalty, but nonetheless they could have and it indeed would have been third down had they accepted the penalty.
Anyone who wasn't in "WTF is going on and how is this penalty going to affect the down and clock" mode at that moment is lying to you.....Anyone watching the game would have been well aware that it was a unique and somewhat confusing chain-of-events that took a brief moment to figure out what needed to happen next and in a hurry.
All that said, we got the FG team out in plenty of time and got the kick off. The 25sec vs 40sec playclock definitely rushed things, and if people don't understand that 25 seconds is less than 40 seconds, I'm not sure what to tell you. We couldn't send the FG team out until we had confirmed that the penalty was declined and it was 4th down, but by that point the 25sec had already started which led to the whole process being naturally rushed given the circumstances.
The thing to criticize here is not having any timeouts left at that point. obviously if you have a timeout you can call it at that point, and exterminate the entire chaotic situation, but we didn't.
This post was edited on 9/24/12 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 9/24/12 at 1:34 pm to Catman88
It wasn't spotted 7 yards back. Any missed field goal when the line of scrimmage was inside the 20 yard line results in the ball being given to the other team at the 20 yard line, which is what happened.
Posted on 9/24/12 at 1:37 pm to JPLSU1981
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Anyone who wasn't in "WTF is going on and how is this penalty going to affect the down and clock" mode at that moment is lying to you.....Anyone watching the game would have been well aware that it was a unique and somewhat confusing chain-of-events that took a brief moment to figure out what needed to happen next and in a hurry.
All that said, we got the FG team out in plenty of time and got the kick off. The 25sec vs 40sec playclock definitely rushed things, and if people don't understand that 25 seconds is less than 40 seconds, I'm not sure what to tell you.
I explained the situation already from my rather close vantage point and it was ignored.
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