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re: McNeese State closing in on hiring Will Wade for coaching job: Source per: The Athletic
Posted on 3/10/23 at 3:28 pm to Flablete
Posted on 3/10/23 at 3:28 pm to Flablete
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Smart and tactical move by Wade.... He stays in Louisiana...ressurects his career by winning big there and then can come bk to LSU in a few yrs or take a P5 job of his choice
I Will Wade for him.
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Posted on 3/10/23 at 3:29 pm to Madking
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Perfect example
Such a bad coach no idea how he beat guys like Beilein, Calipari, Sampson, Pearl, Barnes, Shaka, Oats EVER. Must have been luck
Posted on 3/10/23 at 3:31 pm to Elleshoe
When you see the Xs and Os argument or the “he paid all the players” or “he just relied on elite talent” you know you’re dealing with someone who’s completely ignorant about basketball and the topics they’re bringing up.
Posted on 3/10/23 at 3:33 pm to Big4SALTbro
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Tate and the board didn’t make fat Scott hire the pile of shite he did.
That’s fair. But let’s be honest, the job was not a very attractive gig at the time. And most of us were pumped that we were even able to get somebody of McMahon’s caliber. The hate of his hire, while certainly warranted currently, is a lot of 20/20 hindsight.
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Tate and the board didn’t make fat Scott hire the pile of shite he did.
Be honest—did you think it was a shite hire at the time? I recall the consensus was that it was a pretty good hire at the time under the circumstances.
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Over and over LSU shows at the top levels we aren’t committed to winning all out.
What? We are throwing out millions and millions of dollars to get the best coaches we can in all sports. Tate made it very clear when he was hired how important sports are to the success of the entire university. He saw how Bama’s football success drastically increased their out of state enrollment.
Maybe Woodward simply whiffed on his evaluation of McMahon and threw money at the wrong guys. But he certainly didn’t go cheap. Nothing he’s done shows he’s not 100% committed to winning at the highest level in all sports. He may have whiffed. It happens. But Will Wade is not the only coach in America that can win at LSU. And if McMahon proves he’s not one, I have no doubt Scott will shite-can him and throw more money at someone else. But they’re gonna give him more than 1 season.
Posted on 3/10/23 at 3:34 pm to Hot Carl
I had a one word response to the hire…. “frick”
Posted on 3/10/23 at 3:36 pm to Hot Carl
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But they’re gonna give him more than 1 season.
They shouldn’t. There’s literally NOTHING that’s been done to say we should expect any improvement. The recruiting class has no difference makers on the way
Posted on 3/10/23 at 3:37 pm to Tigers4Lyfe
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Bought talent. Lol
Like Jay Johnson and Brian Kelly are currently doing?
Posted on 3/10/23 at 3:39 pm to OldManRiver
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1 or 2 would prove his cheerleaders correct, he's an elite recruiter and a good tactical coach. 3 would prove his detractors right, that he can't win without buying superior talent
Let the games begin
If he is "just a guy who buys talent" then how do you explain his success at Chattanooga. Wade was 32 years old when he got the HC job there. The program had not had a winning season in 4 years prior to Wade's arrival. The coach Wade replaced was so good that he coached high school basketball for 5 years after being fired.
Wade went 40-25 in his two seasons at Chattanooga. Finishing second in the league in both of his 2 years. The team he left behind won the conference and went to the NCAA Tournament...for a HC that would in two years get the UMass job and never have a winning season.
Must have been all that money Chatanooga booster were throwing around in those days
Posted on 3/10/23 at 3:45 pm to Alt26
They have no idea what they’re talking about period.
Posted on 3/10/23 at 3:49 pm to Alt26
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This gets said constantly...NEVER with an explanation as to how Wade was such a poor x's and o's coach.
I don’t know enough about the intricacies of basketball to give detailed answer. But my guess is that it’s because he was unable to make any deep tourney runs despite having loads of talent. Look at all the guys he recruited who are not just on NBA rosters, but are producing at high levels.
I’m not personally saying Wade wasn’t a good Xs and Os guy, but that’s my guess as to how he might have gotten that reputation. May have reminded folks of Dale Brown in that regard.
And just to be clear—I love Will Wade. Would much rather he still be here than McMahon. Just offering my opinion on why things may have gone down like they did. It sucks for him—and us—that he got caught on that wiretap. But he did. And it likely forced some decisions that otherwise wouldn’t have been made.
Also, I’ve said in a few threads that McMahon just realized that you can’t X and O your way to wins in the current SEC. You have to have the dudes. If he’s not able to bring them in, his stay in Baton Rouge will be very short-lived. Who he brings in from the portal this year will very telling as to how long his tenure here will be.
Posted on 3/10/23 at 4:00 pm to Elleshoe
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They shouldn’t
Who—that we’d actually want—is gonna want to take this job, move their family and their assistants’ families to Baton Rouge when we’re only willing to give them 1 year to prove themselves at a program that’s still under NCAA investigation? Those assholes are holding the program hostage by not handing down their ruling, whatever it winds up being.
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There’s literally NOTHING that’s been done to say we should expect any improvement.
As of right now, I certainly can’t argue that point.
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The recruiting class has no difference makers on the way
Let’s see how he does in the portal. If he rolls out another roster similar to this year’s, I have no doubt next year will be his last. But you’ve got to give him at least 2 years, if for nothing else than to be in a better spot to hire a more attractive coach next go around.
Posted on 3/10/23 at 4:01 pm to Hot Carl
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Let’s see how he does in the portal.
He’ll have to find 3 Tari Easons to get this squad competitive
Posted on 3/10/23 at 4:04 pm to Elleshoe
Wade is gonna kill it in tPeartal
Posted on 3/10/23 at 4:06 pm to Hot Carl
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I don’t know enough about the intricacies of basketball to give detailed answer. But my guess is that it’s because he was unable to make any deep tourney runs despite having loads of talent. Look at all the guys he recruited who are not just on NBA rosters, but are producing at high levels.
2019- lost to #2 seed MSU who made it to the final 4
2020- covid
2021- screwed in seeding lost to #1 seed Michigan who lost in the Elite 8
2022- Bad loss to #11 Iowa St.
Except for 2022 he lost to higher seeds each time
Posted on 3/10/23 at 4:08 pm to Hot Carl
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Let’s see how he does in the portal. If he rolls out another roster similar to this year’s, I have no doubt next year will be his last. But you’ve got to give him at least 2 years, if for nothing else than to be in a better spot to hire a more attractive coach next go around.
Idk if you've seen our recruiting for this year, but his only option is to make some massive moves in the portal.
Posted on 3/10/23 at 4:09 pm to Hot Carl
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And I don’t know this for a fact, but my guess is the Wade firing happened above Woodward’s pay grade. He may have agreed with it,
I suspect that you are correct. IMO, Tate made the directive on O and Wade.
Get Woke go broke! It may take some time but...
Somebody else's money will run out eventually.
Posted on 3/10/23 at 4:11 pm to More beer please
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2022- Bad loss to #11 Iowa St.
WW didn’t even coach that game. Woody already axed him in the shitty way that he did and the team had no motivation at that point. I’ve heard from multiple people that when the team was leaving for the NCAAT they were dejected.
Our team last year was special and could have made a deep run into the tourney had WW not been fired. Our regular season record was hindered by X’s injury. He was healthy come tournament time and we were going to make a run.
Posted on 3/10/23 at 4:14 pm to Alt26
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Must have been all that money Chatanooga booster were throwing around in those days
That was really the point of my post. Turning around a shitty Southland team would prove he’s much more than “strong arse offer” WW. But if he fails, right or wrong it will be hard for him to shake that label
Posted on 3/10/23 at 4:21 pm to Elleshoe
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He’ll have to find 3 Tari Easons to get this squad competitive
And I, like I assume you do, too, doubt he has the charismatic personality to pull that off. But maybe with NIL money, he’s able to surprise us. Or maybe what he sells appeals to some studs whose only aspirations aren’t just to see how fast they can get to the league. We’ll find out soon enough.
I don’t love college basketball like you do—Chris Jackson leaving after his SO year broke me, and I haven’t yet recovered. But I love LSU. And I’ve argued on here with people who think we waste resources on non-revenue sports, specifically women’s basketball.
I’ve always maintained that if we are wearing LSU uniforms and competing against another school wearing their uniforms in ANYTHING where they are keeping score—even if it’s fricking tiddly winks—we should do whatever it takes to be the absolute best in it. Being viewed as a championship University helps the school in all aspects. And since men’s CBB is the 2nd most visible sport, it should have a very high priority to achieve that.
So I’m on your side. I just think your love for LSU basketball has you emotional and wanting to make rash, short-term decisions that will make you feel better right now. Which is totally understandable. But probably not in the best long-term interest of the sport and university. It sucks, but it appears we are going to have to take a couple steps back before we can take several forward. Which I think we will. Hopefully sooner rather than later.
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