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re: MBB Jalen Reed returning for 4th season
Posted on 3/27/25 at 12:53 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 3/27/25 at 12:53 pm to Lester Earl
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You don’t think his injury was significant?
we lost to Pitt WITH Reed. Pitt got smoked by state.
3 ot vs a bottom rung big 12 team in UCF.
Transitive property ain’t great but it’s something.
At best it is 1-2 more wins.
He is a better score than chest but far worse on the boards.
That doesn’t change the post season outcome.
Frankly Ward was the much bigger loss and it’s entirely on McMahon.
This post was edited on 3/27/25 at 12:59 pm
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Posted on 3/27/25 at 1:00 pm to Adam Banks
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Frankly Ward was the much bigger loss and it’s entirely on McMahon
How so?
This post was edited on 3/27/25 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 3/27/25 at 1:08 pm to Mats86
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How so?
Tyrell Ward was a proven scorer in SEC play and put up better scoring numbers in the SEC compared to Reed.
Everyone agrees we needed more scoring.
McMahon goes out and instead of letting your top 50 recruit going into his junior year who figured things out in SEC play cont to play and develop goes and pays Dji friggin Bailey the most NIL and is forced to play him over ward
That’s why he left
Posted on 3/27/25 at 1:13 pm to HighRoller
He’s a great guy to build around. Now get to fricking work in the portal.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 1:14 pm to Adam Banks
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we lost to Pitt WITH Reed. Pitt got smoked by state.
3 ot vs a bottom rung big 12 team in UCF.
Transitive property ain’t great but it’s something.
At best it is 1-2 more wins.
He is a better score than chest but far worse on the boards.
That doesn’t change the post season outcome.
Frankly Ward was the much bigger loss and it’s entirely on McMahon.
you didn't answer the question
Posted on 3/27/25 at 1:19 pm to WhoGeaux
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If he stayed healthy I believe the season would have turned out differently
We might have won 1-2 more games. Great news he’s returning (and is he eligible for a medical redshirt?) but its not like his absence prevented us from being anywhere close to a tournament team. I see pirate fig is still under the impression that he’s some old school low block banger and rim protector despite allegedly watching him play for 2+ years.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 1:19 pm to Lester Earl
His injury did not have a significant impact on the wins and losses.
I figured you weren’t an idiot and could infer that at most 1-2 wins wasn’t significant but apparently I was wrong
I figured you weren’t an idiot and could infer that at most 1-2 wins wasn’t significant but apparently I was wrong
Posted on 3/27/25 at 1:22 pm to Adam Banks
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McMahon goes out and instead of letting your top 50 recruit going into his junior year who figured things out in SEC play cont to play and develop goes and pays Dji friggin Bailey the most NIL and is forced to play him over ward
He got plenty of minutes at the end of the season last year with Jordan wright Still getting over 30 minutes. You can’t tell me that because we have a less aggressive Bailey, that ward was an odd man out. How much minutes did givens get this year when he was awful most of the time?
This post was edited on 3/27/25 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 3/27/25 at 1:28 pm to S
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but its not like his absence prevented us from being anywhere close to a tournament team
I’d agree to that. Guard play is why we are where we are.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 1:36 pm to WhoGeaux
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He seemed to be the centerpiece of the whole thing prior to the injury
He was the best post player but Cam was always the centerpiece. Even in Reed's biggest game he was 5th in shot attempts.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 1:47 pm to Adam Banks
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Tyrell Ward was a proven scorer in SEC play and put up better scoring numbers in the SEC compared to Reed.
Everyone agrees we needed more scoring.
McMahon goes out and instead of letting your top 50 recruit going into his junior year who figured things out in SEC play cont to play and develop goes and pays Dji friggin Bailey the most NIL and is forced to play him over ward
That’s why he left
Unless there is something I haven't seen on here, that is all (or at least mostly) hearsay and speculation.
Bailey was a better overall player (defense, rebounding, facilitating, inside scoring, ball handling). Ward was a MUCH better shooter with a much higher upside. What the plan was for them to co-exist, I don't know. But even for a coach who has been as bad as McMahon I have to believe there was a plan. I'm sure it involved Ward playing minutes at both the 2 and 3, with, perhaps times where Carter played the "1" (though not all that often). Perhaps it was a situation where Ward was told Bailey would start, but Ward would play "starters minutes" off the bench and he didn't like it. Who knows? But those are things all HC's have to navigate with their rosters knowing players. Still, I can't imagine whatever pushed Ward to essentially "hold out" just came about literally a week before the season started. Hell, in this day and age it could have been a "contract" dispute over pay and Ward chose to hold out rather than take LSU's offer. Basketball is not like football where you can play a certain amount of games and still redshirt. It could have been a situation where Ward wanted a certain sum, LSU wouldn't agree, so instead of burning a year of eligibility by playing at all he chose to "hold out" before the season started. Those contract negotiations could have been going on all through October with Ward giving LSU a deadline to get a deal done or he was going to hold out. Sounds crazy...but not that crazy in this age.
This post was edited on 3/27/25 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 3/27/25 at 1:48 pm to HighRoller
Refreshing.....
Posted on 3/27/25 at 1:51 pm to Alt26
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Hell, in this day and age it could have been a "contract" dispute over pay and Ward chose to hold out rather than take LSU's offer
That was kind of my speculation. But I don’t actually know anything about it
Posted on 3/27/25 at 2:04 pm to Adam Banks
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Tyrell Ward was a proven scorer in SEC play and put up better scoring numbers in the SEC
sure but I think there were a couple issues, I think he was pretty bad on defense, and very limited on offense, he shot 3's and that was about it.
his advanced metrics showed him to be a pretty limited player. his plus/minus stats were very poor.
he lost his job to cam Carter, who is better, and perhaps to some extent dji bailey who was better at everything except shooting. maybe ward could have unseated bailey and worked his way back in, but he quit.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 2:05 pm to Pnels08
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He has also stuck with McMahon throughout the process. That has been a nice to see since most kids have bailed
lol
Kids are bailing from all schools. You make it seem like it is a MM thing. Also, how do you know kids are bailing or MM has asked them to bail?
Posted on 3/27/25 at 2:09 pm to tigre704
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there were 5 conference losses by single digits and all of them were against tourney teams. Your best big doesn't have to be Shaq to say they could've made a big difference in that
They beat a swac school Alabama st by 2 with him and struggled in others….guy wasn’t a world beater like some goobers will claim.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 2:10 pm to Mats86
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Guard play is why we are where we are.
yep
and guard play is what it takes.....I expect that will be our #1 priority, and in particular a PG.
This is good news about Reed. Of course Adam, part of the edgy group along with saint22, 225, Alt, and Mad......figures out a way to sky scream and whine and bitch about Reed coming back. It doesn't matter what happens, these losers are going to bitch and complain. Reed is a big piece to build around. If we can keep 3 or 4 from the team this past year, and build around them with upgraded talent, we can do well next year.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 2:13 pm to TJG210
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guy wasn’t a world beater like some goobers will claim.
exhibit A
Posted on 3/27/25 at 2:18 pm to HighRoller
not like he had any offers to leave $$$$$
was 100% expected of him to return.
was 100% expected of him to return.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 2:22 pm to Mandtgr47
The basketball IQ on this site is comical. Jalen reed didn't have to score 15-20 pts to impact this team although there might have been games he did score a lot. And it's not MM fault that Ward was a big vagina. He could have stayed and battled and shown his coach he was the better player but he didn't. Maybe because he wasn't. That is a loser mentality I wouldn't want on my team. With Jalen Reed they probably win at least 4 - 5 more games and possibly a couple of upsets. I don't care what Reed did against Pitt early in the season when they were learning to play with each other with 4 freshmen and a Jr who had played freshmen minutes.
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