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re: Matt Hayes: Jayden Daniels is LSU's QB1, and it's not close
Posted on 12/11/22 at 2:22 pm to StevieG504
Posted on 12/11/22 at 2:22 pm to StevieG504
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Fans or a split
How can anyone with any football common sense be split over what’s best for LSU between a guy who beat Alabama and won the SEC West in a 12 game regular season and the guy who came in after the Georgia game was decided and did pretty good??
I guess it’s another case of certain LSU fans wanting any QB but the starter based off a decision made by a coach we’re paying almost on $100 million to make those decisions. lol
Posted on 12/11/22 at 2:50 pm to ellis197575
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Nuss was throwing against starters until just over 4 minutes left in the 4th.
The starters were also in the game against Missouri and Kentucky. The issue is the passion and focus of the players given the circumstances.
Posted on 12/11/22 at 3:46 pm to Geaux Tahel
Well, would it be crazy to suggest that with more experience Nuss gets better. I have seen enough of 5 to conclude that he is unlikely to lead LSU to a championship? We disagree and that is fine. If you cannot see that 5 cannot execute the passing game then you just cannot see.
Oh, WHERE is the hate? Care to address that?
Oh, WHERE is the hate? Care to address that?
This post was edited on 12/11/22 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 12/11/22 at 5:28 pm to White Tiger
No hate here….
Hahahahahaaaaa
Hahahahahaaaaa
Posted on 12/12/22 at 12:03 am to JakeFromStateFarm
The backups didn't come into the game until 4 minutes left in the game. The second TD LSU scored in the second half ( with Nuss at QB ), starting DB Ringo was called for PI in the EZ. You obviously weren't watching the game closely or you're trying to sell your point by not being totally truthful.
This post was edited on 12/12/22 at 12:47 am
Posted on 12/12/22 at 9:45 am to deuce985
He’s hasn’t been given a chance. He’s been thrown into games that were decided and players checked out most of the time. This was the only game that matters imo and everyone single QB on the planet is going to make bad reads but it’s what becomes of those bad reads when he makes them.
They all have work to do but imo Nuss just has more upside than Daniel’s does and our goal here is to win championships not average 10 wins a season. From what I’ve seen from both QBs, Nuss is the QB who will win a championship, not Daniel’s at this point. Now if Daniel’s improves his ability to spread the ball around, get the ball out under 2.5 seconds with accuracy and consistency, he’s going to be the guy. If he can’t do that consistently, imo there is no choice here, it’s the QB who can do that no matter how many times he throws an int while gaining experience. That problem will eventually fade away with more games and more experience for the QBs and WRs working together within the offense. If Daniel’s would just start throwing the football to all of our weapons, no matter the yardage, when coming open, he’d be a huge huge weapon back there but he just will not do it consistently. Our WRs almost 90% of the time have to be wide open for him to throw that ball.
That’s where practice comes in handy in the off-season. You get your butt out there with your starting 6 WRs. Put 4 and 5 out there at a time and just start tossing the ball with coverage and within your scheme or playbook. Call plays within the playbook and run all kinds of different coverages so he can see what he isn’t seeing now. If I’m the QB coach, I’m making my top 3 QBs practice on their own time and hit the record button on the cameras so I can evaluate that film.
I’d tell them to run the offense exactly how you would in the games, including how you lead them. Walker Howard needs to get some time as well. I hope these QBs don’t leave our program. All they need is 1 really good season. Win lots of games and maybe a championship, while tossing the ball around with accuracy and they’ll get their name called in the right spot when the NFL comes calling.
Those WRs were finally having fun out there and we need a QB who gives those guys a reason to play hard on every down. To know they have a chance to make a play every single time the QB let’s the ball go. To know they will have to earn that ball and grab it from all types of different angles. These talented 1st round WRs love that. They love having to make that spectacular catch. Just throw those boys the ball where they can go get it and watch the magic happen.
They all have work to do but imo Nuss just has more upside than Daniel’s does and our goal here is to win championships not average 10 wins a season. From what I’ve seen from both QBs, Nuss is the QB who will win a championship, not Daniel’s at this point. Now if Daniel’s improves his ability to spread the ball around, get the ball out under 2.5 seconds with accuracy and consistency, he’s going to be the guy. If he can’t do that consistently, imo there is no choice here, it’s the QB who can do that no matter how many times he throws an int while gaining experience. That problem will eventually fade away with more games and more experience for the QBs and WRs working together within the offense. If Daniel’s would just start throwing the football to all of our weapons, no matter the yardage, when coming open, he’d be a huge huge weapon back there but he just will not do it consistently. Our WRs almost 90% of the time have to be wide open for him to throw that ball.
That’s where practice comes in handy in the off-season. You get your butt out there with your starting 6 WRs. Put 4 and 5 out there at a time and just start tossing the ball with coverage and within your scheme or playbook. Call plays within the playbook and run all kinds of different coverages so he can see what he isn’t seeing now. If I’m the QB coach, I’m making my top 3 QBs practice on their own time and hit the record button on the cameras so I can evaluate that film.
I’d tell them to run the offense exactly how you would in the games, including how you lead them. Walker Howard needs to get some time as well. I hope these QBs don’t leave our program. All they need is 1 really good season. Win lots of games and maybe a championship, while tossing the ball around with accuracy and they’ll get their name called in the right spot when the NFL comes calling.
Those WRs were finally having fun out there and we need a QB who gives those guys a reason to play hard on every down. To know they have a chance to make a play every single time the QB let’s the ball go. To know they will have to earn that ball and grab it from all types of different angles. These talented 1st round WRs love that. They love having to make that spectacular catch. Just throw those boys the ball where they can go get it and watch the magic happen.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 10:00 am to deuce985
We hope he can improve. He has shown flashes every year, but still bolts when the chips are down. Still has trouble throwing guys open and hitting them in stride. There’s a reason the WR room is not happy.
The QB shouldn’t have more carries than the top two RBs combined. He has gotta throw it or move on.
The QB shouldn’t have more carries than the top two RBs combined. He has gotta throw it or move on.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 10:16 am to BayouBengal99
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Those WRs were finally having fun out there and we need a QB who gives those guys a reason to play hard on every down. To know they have a chance to make a play every single time the QB let’s the ball go. To know they will have to earn that ball and grab it from all types of different angles. These talented 1st round WRs love that. They love having to make that spectacular catch. Just throw those boys the ball where they can go get it and watch the magic happen.
THIS!
It was obvious the group of wide receivers were ecstatic when Nuss started firing fastballs
Posted on 12/12/22 at 10:36 am to BayouBengal99
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He’s hasn’t been given a chance. He’s been thrown into games that were decided and players checked out most of the time.
If only there was a way besides actual games that the coaches could actually work with and see these players, maybe a practice or workout perhaps?
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They all have work to do but imo Nuss just has more upside than Daniel’s does and our goal here is to win championships not average 10 wins a season. From what I’ve seen from both QBs, Nuss is the QB who will win a championship, not Daniel’s at this point.
You say he hasn’t been given a chance and just thrown into games but in that time you’ve determined he is the QB to win championships, this is nothing but projection and narrative writing on your part. You were frustrated at times with Daniels, which is understandable, especially given the end of the season (Arkansas and A&M particularly) but is just wishful thinking. We did not have a “championship” roster but made the SECCG, we probably won’t have a Championship caliber roster next year, though it should be better, which would be Daniels last year anyway so it’s kind of a cop out to say he won’t win a “championship”. We probably won’t win a NC next year regardless of the QB. should be in a better position towards that goal in 24 and 25. I understand people saying we should therefore give the young QB experience, I don’t think it’s necessary (there are numerous examples but we can start with 2021 UGA and Bama) and we should not write off 2023 just to play younger players.
We should go with the Qb that gives us the best chance to win next year. Which is most likely Daniels but that will be determined in the off season not based on one half of a blow out loss
Posted on 12/12/22 at 12:00 pm to Geauxgurt
Nussmeier will cost you a game or two. He takes too many chances on his throws. It's just that he was getting it there so fast that Georgia could not adjust fast enough....but by the end of the game they were starting to.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 12:06 pm to KiwiHead
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Nussmeier will cost you a game or two. He takes too many chances on his throws. It's just that he was getting it there so fast that Georgia could not adjust fast enough....but by the end of the game they were starting to.
Daniels has cost his team 3-4 games every year because he's scared to throw and can't make downfield throws.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 12:18 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Daniels has cost his team 3-4 games every year because he's scared to throw and can't make downfield throws
So, he cost LSU when they gave up 50 to Georgia and 40 to Tennessee? It was his fault the defense couldn’t get A&M and FSU off the field? He was the one who had two kicks blocked and two muffed punts against FSU? Not one of those losses was on Daniels.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 12:29 pm to MikeTheTiger71
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So, he cost LSU when they gave up 50 to Georgia and 40 to Tennessee?
You could argue "yes" because those are prime examples of games he refused to throw down field. Nickle and Diming only works if you take a shot every so often. Arkansas and A&M both loaded the box because all they had to defend was the short pass and run.
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He was the one who had two kicks blocked and two muffed punts against FSU?
FSU game is the only game he gets an actual pass, since it was his first game and ST play was horrendous.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 12:37 pm to iBack8569
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You could argue "yes" because those are prime examples of games he refused to throw down field. Nickle and Diming only works if you take a shot every so often. Arkansas and A&M both loaded the box because all they had to defend was the short pass and run.
So is it your contention that this team would have been 12-1 if not for Daniels?
Posted on 12/12/22 at 12:49 pm to H-Town Tiger
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So is it your contention that this team would have been 12-1 if not for Daniels?
I'm arguing that he did absolutely nothing to help LSU win those games with his play. Supposedly we had one of the best WR rooms in the country. Where were they? Rumor is that they're still out there waiting on a pass. Whether or not LSU wins those games with another quarterback is another argument entirely.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 1:03 pm to iBack8569
That’s not what you said. Someone said Daniels cost his team 3-4 games every year, someone else asked if he cost LSU the games against Tennessee and UGA to which you replied you could argue yes because he didn’t throw down field.
I get the frustration but simply throwing down field doesn’t mean we win either.
It’s also hilarious that fan think their frustration or opinions are universally shared by everyone on the team. The WR are so frustrated and angry that Boutte, who would probably still be a 1st round pick is coming back
Burrow isn’t coming back, whoever starts will have flaws, because Daniels started and held the ball too long or took off running that is drawing your ire. If Nussmirer was slinging downfield and throwing picks then that would be frustrating fans.
I get the frustration but simply throwing down field doesn’t mean we win either.
It’s also hilarious that fan think their frustration or opinions are universally shared by everyone on the team. The WR are so frustrated and angry that Boutte, who would probably still be a 1st round pick is coming back
Burrow isn’t coming back, whoever starts will have flaws, because Daniels started and held the ball too long or took off running that is drawing your ire. If Nussmirer was slinging downfield and throwing picks then that would be frustrating fans.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 1:13 pm to ShaneTheMaster
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After seeing what Nuss did, all the receivers would revolt if JD was starting next year, lol.
Receivers don’t want what coaches want - the players on the field that gives the TEAM the best chance to win?
Anyone that doesn’t put team first needs to enter the portal. There are much worse schools out there with no chance at a championship where they can pursue their individual glory.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 3:35 pm to TigerFanPA
Did I miss where Jayden said he is returning next year?
Posted on 12/12/22 at 3:43 pm to TigerFanPA
read the comments of other teams fans... They dont want Nuss starting for LSU...
Posted on 12/12/22 at 6:59 pm to DBG
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National champ, Heisman winner Jameis Winston?
You mean like Gino Toretta or Joe Burrow? Both also have those titles in common, so that's what that means.
NFL for #5, lol. Laid two eggs against Ark. and aTm and demonstrated same deer in headlights for anything beyond a 8-10 single read.
nfldraftbuzz.com:
JAYDEN DANIELS QB LSU | NFL DRAFT PROFILE & SCOUTING REPORT
DRAFT YEAR: 2023
OVERALL RANK: #295 POSITION RANK: #29 (QB) (OH SURE, HE'S GETTING DRAFTED)
40 TIME: 4.50 SECONDS
HEIGHT: 6-3 WEIGHT: 200
HANDS: 9 1/4 ARMS: 31 5/8 SPAN: 75
DATE OF BIRTH: 12/18/2000 AGE: 21.11
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