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Posted on 3/23/18 at 11:37 am to Tiger Ree
quote:Doesn't matter if he doesn't start recruiting Bama quality OL's. That's all that matters. Not winning any championships with Sun Belt and SWAC level OL's!
The O-line coach has a super bowl ring.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 11:39 am to Tiger Ree
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That is why I responded with the passing game coordinator and his vast and very recent experience. Also the fact that the Seahawks requested he attend with the rest of the LSU coaches so they could learn from him.
Seems to contradict your analogy
No, no it doesn’t. He has 1 year of experience as an OC in about 1995 and he obviously wasn’t very successful at it if he didn’t get another opportunity. His high level of success regarding WR’s does nothing to contradict this.
And let me get this straight: are you saying that Sullivan, a guy who is not an OC by trade, was brought in by Carroll to teach him how to be an offensive coordinator or passing game coordinator? Do you honestly believe that a guy who’s a literal authority on coaching WR’s was brought in to do anything other than help Seattle’s WR coach? I’m just trying to figure out exactly how fricking stupid you are here.
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Seriously dude??? You would prefer LSU hire high school coaches?
Nevermind, I found my answer. I’m sorry that you and apparently Ed Orgeron don’t understand that the NFL isn’t a “bigger badder” version of college football where 10 years of coaching wide receivers makes one fully qualified to do literally anything in college football to the highest degree. That’s a completely asinine assertion considering how different the two levels have become, and it’s a recipe for failure.
I’d rather if we had a COLLEGE OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR at LSU who has a few seasons of success as a COLLEGE OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR. I know, I’m completely fricking crazy for thinking that someone who’s last job had virtually no similarities to being a college co-OC might not work out.
Gosh Derek, you’re so smart. But then again I can completely understand why a fat loser who can’t run a 40 yard dash without busting his arse and had to forge a riverboat captain’s license to get a job then backed into some crappy PR job under Ed Orgeron would be bewildered at the notion that one should be successful in the past to deserve a shot at their job. You suck at your job too, FYI. You’re actually doing more to hurt the perception of the program with these idiotic threads that lead to people flaming our program than helping it.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 11:42 am to LSUgrad08112
I think you all are worrying too much when you say the Cregg and Sullivan have only 1 year of OC experience. They are not the OC. They have sat through enough meetings and game planning to know what to do even if they haven’t done it.
I am willing to bet Dave Aranda knows about as much about the offensive side of the ball than anyone, and he has never been an OC.
I am willing to bet Dave Aranda knows about as much about the offensive side of the ball than anyone, and he has never been an OC.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 11:53 am to Tiger Ree
Not taking the bait this year.
I'd rather be happily surprised than disappointed again.
I'd rather be happily surprised than disappointed again.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 11:54 am to Tiger Ree
Thank God. I am so glad we fixed the offense
Posted on 3/23/18 at 11:56 am to Terry the Tiger
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I am willing to bet Dave Aranda knows about as much about the offensive side of the ball than anyone, and he has never been an OC.
Scary thought.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 11:58 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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He's pieced together a staff from various regimes and then promoted a coordinator to lead them with very little experience as an OC and is now trying to piece together an offensive philosophy that these people have no experience with. How well are they going to understand this system as a staff? How cohesive will it be from position coach to position coach? How well will they be able to communicate it to the players? Do they have a deep enough understanding to make corrections on the fly? If I was Orgeron and this was my one shot, I'd have hired an OC that ran the offense that I wanted and had him import his staff (unless there was an obvious upgrade already here that the new OC was on board with keeping), because I'd know they are experienced in this style and are already on the same page and can hit the ground running. I know recruiting ties are an issue and you want to keep some guys around that have relationships to HS school coaches and players, but, in the end, the product is what needs to sell itself. What he's doing by trying to piece this all together is very "Frankenstein" and will probably work fine in 6-8 games, but I don't see how it will hold up in the toughest games against the best defenses where there's little margin for error and it will be necessary to adjust on the fly.
That's a fair assessment. I think it's going to be very difficult for a cobbled together staff and inexperienced players to implement a hybrid system in a relatively limited time. I'm ok with what they are trying to do based on the fact that Ensminger does not have a signature offensive philosophy that I am aware. We'll see how it works out. I will say that although they haven't worked together, it does seem that Sullivan and Cregg will blend into this philosophy well. Giles noted Sullivan's emphasis on getting off jams and footwork which is crucial in the short passing game. Cregg is a pass protection specialist with pro and spread experience and even Robinson has experience with west coast offenses so they all fit the scheme based on their experience.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 12:03 pm to BayouCowboy
Yeah well I will believe when I see it during SEC play. We have had suger spread on the offense for years
Posted on 3/23/18 at 12:08 pm to Tiger Ree
I am so excited about the offense next season!
Sure, Ensminger got shut out against Bama, but he was limited in what he had to work with.
He had those scrub second-rate running backs Leonard Fournette and Derrius Guice. No wonder we got shut out!
I'm so excited now that he as these studs Nick Brossette, CEH, and Tae Provens to use for his mastermind schemes!
Our offense is gonna kick arse!
Geaux Tigers!
Sure, Ensminger got shut out against Bama, but he was limited in what he had to work with.
He had those scrub second-rate running backs Leonard Fournette and Derrius Guice. No wonder we got shut out!
I'm so excited now that he as these studs Nick Brossette, CEH, and Tae Provens to use for his mastermind schemes!
Our offense is gonna kick arse!
Geaux Tigers!
Posted on 3/23/18 at 12:15 pm to phideauxlsu
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Yeah well I will believe when I see it during SEC play. We have had suger spread on the offense for years
Yep. I'm just trying to avoid the hyperbolic reactions on both sides and glean (becoming my power word of the day
) as much as I can from different sources to get a feel for what's going on. I'm not too hung up on the stats because they don't tell the whole picture.Posted on 3/23/18 at 12:20 pm to Tiger Ree
I'm sure it is only 43.2 % complete.
Why is it that everything O does is always partially complete, simplified, or in the process of being implemented?
Why is it that everything O does is always partially complete, simplified, or in the process of being implemented?
Posted on 3/23/18 at 12:22 pm to Tiger Ree
Talk is cheap.
We hear the same stuff over and over.
Coaches tell you what you want to hear.
I’ll wait until the season to believe anything.
We hear the same stuff over and over.
Coaches tell you what you want to hear.
I’ll wait until the season to believe anything.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 12:23 pm to Tiger Ree
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Receiver route running and timing are essential in these systems. They are characteristics that new pass game coordinator Jerry Sullivan was hired to implement.
God I sure hope so. Watching the talent struggle for the most part has been frustrating.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 12:23 pm to BayouCowboy
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it does seem that Sullivan and Cregg will blend into this philosophy well. Giles noted Sullivan's emphasis on getting off jams and footwork which is crucial in the short passing game. Cregg is a pass protection specialist with pro and spread experience and even Robinson has experience with west coast offenses so they all fit the scheme based on their experience.
That's good to know. Who is the mastermind? Someone needs to have the entire picture in order to delegate effectively so that each segment dovetails into the next. It helps to have a mastermind and a protege or two to oversee all the moving parts.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 12:54 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
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He's pieced together a staff from various regimes and then promoted a coordinator to lead them with very little experience as an OC and is now trying to piece together an offensive philosophy that these people have no experience with. How well are they going to understand this system as a staff? How cohesive will it be from position coach to position coach? How well will they be able to communicate it to the players? Do they have a deep enough understanding to make corrections on the fly?
Pretty much how I feel.
There's so many steps in building an offense, and they know this. Execution is the very last step. Once you can do that then you're operating at your highest potential.
But our COACHES are busy learning new concepts. If the coaches are learning new things right now how much does that delay the process of their players learning it?
If an instructor is teaching a new course in college, how well does he/she do it the first time vs them doing it for the 10th year in a row? While most instructors are subject matter experts, they don't start off being expert teachers.
By the time they're an expert teacher, they know exactly what's pertinent and what's not and can communicate the most condensed amount of pertinent information to the student expeditiously. We don't have that right now and a lot of our opponents do.
That's what a lot of people somehow forget. We're not competing against ourselves here, we're competing against opponents and you have consider what their capabilities are relative to ours.
Look at Aranda. That's what an expert teacher is. Saying that the defense is ahead of the offense is an understatement. They're effectively 10+ years ahead of the offense.
This post was edited on 3/23/18 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 3/23/18 at 1:17 pm to Lsupimp
quote:da fuq is this?
LSU throwing short slants? Fans won’t even know what we are seeing.
Lawless I tell you! It's NCAA Bylaw i.4.69-2 that the middle of the filed is for rushes only.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 1:23 pm to I20goon
Ryan Clark on NFL Live talking about how Josh Booty was one of the best QBs he's ever seen in practice and 7 on 7 scrimmages. Says he still hasn't seen one throw a prettier ball and how excited he was all during fall camp. Next statement was "get to the game and have people flying at him and in front of him and he threw the ball to the other team regularly."
Made me think about all of these threads and debates centered around spring practice of all things.
Made me think about all of these threads and debates centered around spring practice of all things.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 1:27 pm to UpToPar
quote:he was an assistant to the actual O line coach. Equip mangers get rings also. He wasn’t the line coach but did carry papers for him
The O-line coach has a super bowl ring.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 1:34 pm to justice
I mean It’s probably
Good experience but the way he puts it is seems like he wasn’t the assistant coach on a team that already had the best OL in the NFL and had already been to a Super Bowl
In the last 4 years.
Good experience but the way he puts it is seems like he wasn’t the assistant coach on a team that already had the best OL in the NFL and had already been to a Super Bowl
In the last 4 years.
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