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Posted on 2/26/20 at 10:16 am to Lester Earl
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So many good players end up at lesser schools that blossom with coaching & maturity.
Doesn’t this happen in every sport? And if they are going to lesser schools it’s not just LSU missing on them. It’s all the blue blood baseball programs.
This post was edited on 2/26/20 at 10:17 am
Posted on 2/26/20 at 10:35 am to LSURussian
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But when Mainieri relies upon his recruiting coordinator to recruit, he's lazy?
Okay, I think I understand now. Thanks.
No, you still don’t understand. Ed Orgeron and Will Wade are working their asses off to build and maintain successful programs. Mainieri, a coach I like and respect, has been trying to get to a semi-retired mode since the 2009 season.
When we won the championship in 2009 CPM tried to cut back and be a CEO coach (Note: it’s the cutting back, not the CEO part, that is costing LSU baseball). When LSU tailed off after 2009, he realized his job would be in jeopardy if he didn’t re-engage. He did, and he build some very good teams. I think we had the best team in Omaha three more times, but we were victimized by errors (Bregman and Poche) and injuries (Walker) that kept LSU from winning titles.
After his 2017 run, and interest by a competitor (Texas? Aggie?) LSU made the big mistake of extending his guaranteed contract to 2024. Mainieri has no intention of coaching past 2024, so he has no more motivation to work hard, besides competitiveness. And we’ve already seen that this is not enough for CPM at this stage of his life.
I’ve always admired Mainieri, and I think he was a great coach. He’s coasting now. We should replace him, but we can’t afford to, because we would have to buy out his contract. In a couple of years, if Mainieri hasn’t won a championship, we’ll replace him and buy out a couple of years. When we do, we should get a young coach who is full of piss and vinegar.
This post was edited on 2/26/20 at 11:51 am
Posted on 2/26/20 at 10:40 am to JohnnyU
Did anyone on this rant read more than the first 3 paragraphs? Lets see what the guy does during the season.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 10:42 am to Penrod
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CPM tried to cut back and be a CEO coach
In what ways exactly did he "cut back"? I'm not arguing he didn't bc I genuinely don't know, but I'm curious what info you have to support this
Posted on 2/26/20 at 10:42 am to JohnnyU
I think something no one is mentioning about this article that the quote came from is that those comments were talking about Kaminer’s fall and since they started practicing again in January he has been a different pitcher and the scouting report from Cain was actually spot on which is why CPM trust him to scout players. Cain is great at what he does that is for sure.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 10:43 am to PB_1951
off subject... my last game ever Paul Mainieri watched me pitch.. I was pitching against Aaron Nola at Catholic though 
actually out pitched him. Did not get a call 
however years later a guy on my team walked on to the football team and was talking to Paul somewhere and he told him he remembered me and thought I would be a good division I player somewhere. little did he know I took my talents to LSU to become a D1 beer drinker. Always thought about walking on to lsu though
edit: CSB
actually out pitched him. Did not get a call however years later a guy on my team walked on to the football team and was talking to Paul somewhere and he told him he remembered me and thought I would be a good division I player somewhere. little did he know I took my talents to LSU to become a D1 beer drinker. Always thought about walking on to lsu though
edit: CSB
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Posted on 2/26/20 at 10:44 am to FAP SAM
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In what ways exactly did he "cut back"? I'm not arguing he didn't bc I genuinely don't know, but I'm curious what info you have to support this
He did cut back at first but isn’t the case anymore. I think it was after the 2011or 2012 season he admitted he got lazy after the national championship and people think he still acts the same way.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 10:46 am to LSURussian
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I don't know what all college head baseball coaches do but I do remember Skip Bertman said when Smoke Laval was his recruiting coordinator back in the 1980's there were times when the first time Skip ever saw a player was when the player showed up on the first day of practice.
After Smoke left, Skip turned recruiting over to Turtle Thomas and then Dan Canevari.
Thanks. That adds some clarity to the baseball recruiting.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 10:48 am to geauxtigers33
quote:Excellent point.
those comments were talking about Kaminer’s fall and since they started practicing again in January he has been a different pitcher and the scouting report from Cain was actually spot on which is why CPM trust him to scout players.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 11:09 am to LSURussian
quote:Why are you listing all those midgets that Paul is recruiting.
Do you mean like Mo Hampton (6'0", 210 lbs.), Collier Cranford (6'0", 188 lbs.), Mitchell Sanford (6'2", 188 lbs.) Hayden Travinski (6'3", 228 lbs.), Daniel Cabrera (6'1", 196 lbs.), Drew Bianco (6'0", 217 lbs.), Zach Arnold who had surgery and can't play for another month or so (6'2", 197 lbs.) and the two Cades (6'0", 236 lbs. & 6'1", 201 lbs.) on this years' team?
Posted on 2/26/20 at 11:12 am to JohnnyU
Why are people surprised Paul is lazy? The guy took off time, relaxed, and went on a “I don’t have to work hard anymore since we won” victory tour in 2009. It’s why his teams sucked in 2010 and 2011.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 11:16 am to Penrod
quote:So he built the best team in college baseball three of the last 7 years?
When we won the championship in 2009 CPM tried to cut back and be a CEO coach (Note: it’s the cutting back, not the CEO part, that is costing LSU baseball). When LSU tailed off after 2009, he realized his job would be in jeopardy if he didn’t re-engage. He did, and he build some very good teams. I think we had the best team in Omaha three more times, but we were victimized by errors (Bregman and Poche) and injuries (Walker) that kept LSU from winning titles.
Lazy bastard
Posted on 2/26/20 at 11:22 am to JohnnyU
Most college baseball coaches will not offer a scholly to someone unless they see them in person first. Manure, NO!
Posted on 2/26/20 at 11:24 am to JohnnyU
You do not forget how to Coach, but you do lose motivation or desire to coach. Also, kids are different. You (Coach, Parent, Teacher) have to find out what helps each person learn (or want) to be better and follow it.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 11:26 am to ArcticTiger
quote:Prove it.
Most college baseball coaches will not offer a scholly to someone unless they see them in person first.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 11:39 am to geauxtigers33
Personal experience with PG at Lakepoint here.
The "meat" of the recruiting season is late June and almost all of July at Lakepoint. Cain is a fixture there throughout that whole time with AD popping in for certain players.
Never saw PM there but did not see many other HC's either. Although Tim Corbin does show up as well as HC's from 2nd tier schools. It really just depends on how each school's baseball office runs.
The "meat" of the recruiting season is late June and almost all of July at Lakepoint. Cain is a fixture there throughout that whole time with AD popping in for certain players.
Never saw PM there but did not see many other HC's either. Although Tim Corbin does show up as well as HC's from 2nd tier schools. It really just depends on how each school's baseball office runs.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 11:42 am to geauxtigers33
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Cain is great at what he does that is for sure.
I think that still has to be determined, His pitching classes even with all the unfortunate injuries have been way better than his recruiting of hitters. The recruiting of hitters is definitely open for discussion and this season will go a long way into determining his successes on that front.
This post was edited on 2/26/20 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 2/26/20 at 11:51 am to JohnnyU
I thought everyone knew Nolan Cain was responsible for the ultimate recruiting? If you want to question Nolan Cain's ability to recruit you definitely can. I think he has made our infield recruiting very weak as an example. He might be the one to finally get PM to send packing because he relies on him to manage the recruiting and you could argue he's not doing a good enough job there.
I think it's fair to question Cain's ability to recruit especially the hitting evaluations. If this is trying to say PM is lazy in recruiting...well, I doubt anyone is shocked by this.
I think it's fair to question Cain's ability to recruit especially the hitting evaluations. If this is trying to say PM is lazy in recruiting...well, I doubt anyone is shocked by this.
This post was edited on 2/26/20 at 11:56 am
Posted on 2/26/20 at 11:53 am to geauxtigers33
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He did cut back at first but isn’t the case anymore. I think it was after the 2011or 2012 season he admitted he got lazy after the national championship and people think he still acts the same way.
Right. CPM was critical of himself on this. But he got it back together, and he built the talent level back. Once he got his guaranteed extension to 2024 he clearly relaxed again. The evidence is that during the offseason he is not recruiting and evaluating talent, which is what a hungry coach would be doing.
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