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re: Mainieri recruiting
Posted on 2/26/20 at 9:36 am to DenverTiger24
Posted on 2/26/20 at 9:36 am to DenverTiger24
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Just wish he would get more big athletic guys like mikie mahtook and jacoby Jones and dj lemahieu
All three made it to the bigs. Two were from out of state. PM can do it.
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Posted on 2/26/20 at 9:38 am to JohnnyU
quote:I don't know what all college head baseball coaches do but I do remember Skip Bertman said when Smoke Laval was his recruiting coordinator back in the 1980's there were times when the first time Skip ever saw a player was when the player showed up on the first day of practice.
my post was really wondering if that seems normal for college baseball.
After Smoke left, Skip turned recruiting over to Turtle Thomas and then Dan Canevari.
As for as Mainieri's recruiting, he has the final say on recruits. Cain doesn't offer someone until he gets Mainieri's approval. And Adam Dunn's approval, too, for pitchers.
That doesn't mean Mainieri goes to see every player play before he gives his approval. LSU recruits nationally. Expecting Mainieri to go see every recruit play before we commit to the player is unreasonable, just as it was in Skip's day.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 9:39 am to JohnnyU
quote:Problem 1
Recruiting coordinator Nolan Cain
quote:Problem 2 : it's baseball, there are statistics everywhere
told coach Paul Mainieri the Tigers had signed a left-handed pitcher who threw consistent strikes
quote:Problem 3 : Are we not in the age of instant video, FaceTime, etc.
He did not look anything like what Nolan described him to me
Posted on 2/26/20 at 9:40 am to LSURussian
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So when Orgeron turns the offense over to the offensive coordinator and the defense over to the defensive coordinator he's the CEO.
No, it would be more like Orgeron just managing the games and letting Tommie Robinson ( the old RC) identify and offer all the recruits, and Orgeron not being the aggressive recruiter that he is.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 9:42 am to LSURussian
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As for as Mainieri's recruiting, he has the final say on recruits. Cain doesn't offer someone until he gets Mainieri's approval. And Adam Dunn's approval, too, for pitchers.
Good info Thxs. Makes perfect sense. The Advocate article is somewhat misleading.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 9:46 am to TigerFan55555
quote:I am going to take your word for it. But dont expect your very reasonable post to be met with anything but "pumonary'
Baseball recruiting is very tough but Nolan does this very well. Maneri is a manager, thats what he does, none of the Head coaches recruit (I believe that year Maneri was in atlanta though with Team USA. Its Dunn and Nolans job to find players and coach them up... but baseball recruiting is about contacts and how many scouts phone numbers you have in your phone and which ones you trust...
believe me, i do this for a living..
Posted on 2/26/20 at 9:46 am to Tiger Ree
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If he didn't believe his assistants in getting the players they wanted, why would he need assistants?
This is not earth shattering news here.
Get back to digging for any and every little thing
You know, for the longest time I wondered why everyone hated you so much on this site. After your last several posts that I’ve had the displeasure of running across, I can see it now. You are one miserable SOB. Maybe Tinder or Grinder would do you some good...
Posted on 2/26/20 at 9:49 am to pxrona
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A few years ago my son was participating in a Perfect Games tournament in Atlanta ( Biggest one in the country). Alan Dunn and Nolan Cain were present and scouting recruits. Mainieri nowhere to be found. How many coaches strictly rely on their assistants for recruiting and never make any effort to go see a kid in person? Pure laziness and resting on his Laurels IMO.
How many head coaches did he shake hands with that day? If I had to guess not many.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 9:49 am to FAP SAM
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It's not like PM just shows up on the first day of fall ball and asks who these kids are. There are probably a lot of players he doesn't watch in person, that's why you have a recruiting coordinator to go spend a week on the road at a time to scout all these kids. But he absolutely is involved in recruiting and roster management
I understand, and we agree that this is probably the way it happens. My point is that while one coach may take the lead in a particular task, they all better be involved in everything. In this case, Paul sounds like he is only aware of what he was told about a kid. Simply inexcusable. However, i am aware that this is only one example.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 9:53 am to DenverTiger24
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Just wish he would get more big athletic guys like mikie mahtook and jacoby Jones and dj lemahieu
Those are the 50/50 guys that do or don't make it to campus.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 9:56 am to DenverTiger24
quote:Do you mean like Mo Hampton (6'0", 210 lbs.), Collier Cranford (6'0", 188 lbs.), Mitchell Sanford (6'2", 188 lbs.) Hayden Travinski (6'3", 228 lbs.), Daniel Cabrera (6'1", 196 lbs.), Drew Bianco (6'0", 217 lbs.), Zach Arnold who had surgery and can't play for another month or so (6'2", 197 lbs.) and the two Cades (6'0", 236 lbs. & 6'1", 201 lbs.) on this years' team?
Just wish he would get more big athletic guys like mikie mahtook and jacoby Jones and dj lemahieu
I think you're getting your "wish."
Posted on 2/26/20 at 9:57 am to Screaming Viking
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Paul sounds like he is only aware of what he was told about a kid.
This is what scouting is. You have guys you trust go out and find guys that have what you're looking for, then they tell you about them
Posted on 2/26/20 at 9:59 am to JohnnyU
Reason #137 Pawl should be fired
Posted on 2/26/20 at 10:02 am to LSURussian
Hampton belongs on his own list. The guy is an elite talent.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 10:05 am to Number 9 Fan
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No, it would be more like Orgeron just managing the games and letting Tommie Robinson ( the old RC) identify and offer all the recruits, and Orgeron not being the aggressive recruiter that he is.
There are a lot of coaches that do this and just come in and close the player. LSU just happens to have a head football coach that loves the hustle of recruiting.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 10:05 am to geauxtigers33
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But LSU fans say that LSU recruits itself so how much work does he have to actually put into it?
I think that is part of the problem. Cain jumped on as a relatively green coach. Does he truly have an eye for talent or does he just chase stars? So many HS baseball players have elite traits that are not fully tapped in to. LSU seems to always go for the prom kings. Now, they’ve earned this right, but I think there is more to be uncovered. So many good players end up at lesser schools that blossom with coaching & maturity.
I know resources are limited but maybe the focus is a little too narrow. When your head coach isn’t helping it handcuffs you even more.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 10:06 am to JohnnyU
I do think he is closer to the end and it will be nice to get some new blood in this program. My only PM complaint is continuing to hire former players. It doesn't work!
Other than that he deserves to go out on his own terms.
Be careful what you wish for though. PM has been very consistent over the years and that is not easy to find in this day and age of parity.
Other than that he deserves to go out on his own terms.
Be careful what you wish for though. PM has been very consistent over the years and that is not easy to find in this day and age of parity.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 10:06 am to FAP SAM
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This is what scouting is. You have guys you trust go out and find guys that have what you're looking for, then they tell you about them
Man, screw that shite. Paul needs to go in person to watch EVERY high school baseball team and all of their players in EVERY game of their season. He needs to do this in EVERY state for EVERY team regardless of the school's classification. He NEEDS to decide on his own who to recruit - the freaking slacker.
*** The above is total sarcasm and is only intended to make light of some of the Rantards.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 10:11 am to pxrona
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A few years ago my son was participating in a Perfect Games tournament in Atlanta ( Biggest one in the country). Alan Dunn and Nolan Cain were present and scouting recruits. Mainieri nowhere to be found.
Isn’t most of perfect game tournaments during the spring and early summer? Cain misses games and series due to recruiting all the time. Can’t really send the head coach to watch them.
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How many coaches strictly rely on their assistants for recruiting and never make any effort to go see a kid in person?
Not many rely on them strictly for the recruiting part but I bet most of them rely on them as the scouts and trust what they say which is the part the OP is talking about when he is discussing the scouting report.
Cain is a one of the two paid assistants on the staff and isn’t a hitting or pitching coach. He is strictly paid because of his scouting/recruiting ability. If you don’t trust that guy’s judgement then what is the point of having him as the paid assistant?
This post was edited on 2/26/20 at 10:15 am
Posted on 2/26/20 at 10:11 am to Number 9 Fan
quote:Two seasons ago Nolan Cain and Adam Dunn gave about a 30 minute presentation to the Coaches Committee on our recruiting process. It was detailed about how we go about first getting our "leads" on recruits which often occurs when the player is just entering his freshman or sophomore year in high school and how we fill draft/injury created holes in our incoming roster from junior college recruits.
Good info Thxs. Makes perfect sense. The Advocate article is somewhat misleading.
The list of junior colleges head coaches that Cain has contact with is long and impressive.
Cain keeps a four-year matrix of our projected needs based on draft prospects and graduation of our current roster with prospects names filled in as possible replacements. Each prospect is rated on a range of skills and signability.
The big unknown is always the draft and injuries. The best formulated plans can become useless quickly when those two events get in the way.
It's always a balance between (1) recruiting the best players to fill our upcoming roster holes and (2) recruiting the best players who we feel confident will not sign with the pros.
But it's not as if Cain attends a few high school games and then offers the first players he sees and Mainieri doesn't know what's going on with recruiting.
This post was edited on 2/26/20 at 10:29 am
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