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Posted on 2/26/20 at 8:50 am to deaux
from people who know, the one word I often hear about Maninieri and recruiting... LAZY
Posted on 2/26/20 at 9:00 am to JohnnyU
I remember last year Mainieri was being interviewed and he wasn't sure how many left hand pitchers we had committed. To be fair we have players commit four years in advance but I still found it odd.
I believe Mainieri knows more about baseball then the entire rant put together but my one criticism of him has been that he seems to have gotten a little complacent. It's not to the point of not caring but he probably doesn't have the drive of a coach trying to prove himself, like Wade or Coach O.
When the time does come to replace him, I would like to see a younger coach that is hell bent on getting the best talent possible and that can put some energy in his team when they need it.
I believe Mainieri knows more about baseball then the entire rant put together but my one criticism of him has been that he seems to have gotten a little complacent. It's not to the point of not caring but he probably doesn't have the drive of a coach trying to prove himself, like Wade or Coach O.
When the time does come to replace him, I would like to see a younger coach that is hell bent on getting the best talent possible and that can put some energy in his team when they need it.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 9:01 am to Number 9 Fan
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Looking over the non pitchers we signed in 2017 and 2018 do you think our recruiting coordinator is bringing in top talent and filling holes in our roster? I’m beginning to have questions. Some of these 2018 guys need to measure up.
This is a good question
2017 was an extremely weak position group looking back but it wasn't a year they needed to sign a ton of depth in the field outside of a catcher and middle infielders.
Feduccia was a bust. Hughes thus far has been a bust. Broussard was average on a good day. Doolittle and Webre were both supposed to great program players but neither wanted to compete for spots. At the time it was thought maybe Storz could go both ways but injuries wouldn't allow that.
LSU needed to get one of Cabrera or Pearson...both were not expected to make it to campus and getting Cabrera was a huge win.
2018 was an extremely deep position class where Beloso and Willis were top 200 players in the nation and huge gets. DiGiacomo was a great outfield piece at the time and may still become a good player. LSU almost hit on Turang who would have been a day one starter anywhere. The others in Bianco and Dugas were projects but nothing that should limit recruiting a player for depth.
The 2019 class might end up being the best of the three in time but they are freshmen and the aches and pains is completely normal. Hampton, Doughty, Travinski are all top 100 players and Arnold when healthy was a steal in last years draft. I'm not even mentioning Milazzo and Toups who I love as everyday players and are what championship type teams are built around.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 9:04 am to N2daWild
So what's the depth problem right now?
LSU missed on the top flight SS in both 2018 (Turang) and 2019 (Cairo) who would have started day one and instantly hurts depth.
I'm not worried about 2B, Doughty will improve defensively as he matures.
LSU has loaded up on bigger power bats which is fine but it's created a log jam at C, 1B, and DH...again not a bad thing but guys such as Travinski and Willis aren't getting the at bats I would like to see them get right now.
Then you have guys such as Bianco, Dugas, DiGiacomo, and Willis who you thought at least one or two would hit for average and non of this has happened which is why we're seeing such a big drop off from 1-5 to 6-9.
Right now we're seeing this freshmen class of Milazzo, Doughty, Toups, Hampton, Travinski effectively make up half the lineup while LSU is in a win now mode and they're taking time to adjust to the college level. It'll take time but the future is very bright...
LSU missed on the top flight SS in both 2018 (Turang) and 2019 (Cairo) who would have started day one and instantly hurts depth.
I'm not worried about 2B, Doughty will improve defensively as he matures.
LSU has loaded up on bigger power bats which is fine but it's created a log jam at C, 1B, and DH...again not a bad thing but guys such as Travinski and Willis aren't getting the at bats I would like to see them get right now.
Then you have guys such as Bianco, Dugas, DiGiacomo, and Willis who you thought at least one or two would hit for average and non of this has happened which is why we're seeing such a big drop off from 1-5 to 6-9.
Right now we're seeing this freshmen class of Milazzo, Doughty, Toups, Hampton, Travinski effectively make up half the lineup while LSU is in a win now mode and they're taking time to adjust to the college level. It'll take time but the future is very bright...
This post was edited on 2/26/20 at 9:08 am
Posted on 2/26/20 at 9:07 am to Adam4848
That’s my thinking.
We need some of the Sophs to step up now.
So far Beloso has. Gio, Willis, Dugas, and Bianco all played and started some last year. Some need to get going.
You can’t count on all these freshmen.
We need some of the Sophs to step up now.
So far Beloso has. Gio, Willis, Dugas, and Bianco all played and started some last year. Some need to get going.
You can’t count on all these freshmen.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 9:09 am to Adam4848
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Right now we're seeing this freshmen class of Milazzo, Doughty, Toups, Hampton, Travinski effectively make up half the lineup while LSU is in a win now mode and they're taking time to adjust to the college level. It'll take time but the future is very bright...
The beauty of college baseball and playing in the SEC is that it is a long season and these freshman will get plenty at bats against quality pitching to where in May/June they will be much better than they are now. You can’t simulate a weekend SEC series even facing LSU’s top arms in practice because games are another level.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 9:11 am to Number 9 Fan
A HC has to be able to trust his assistants and I'm sure that is what happened here. But at the end of the day, its the HC's job to bring in the talent. Paul always has an excuse and he looks bad in the media when he does that. Even if the excuse is valid, nobody wants to hear excuses.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 9:11 am to ramchallenge
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from people who know, the one word I often hear about Maninieri and recruiting... LAZY
But LSU fans say that LSU recruits itself so how much work does he have to actually put into it?
Posted on 2/26/20 at 9:15 am to Tiger Ree
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Get back to digging for any and every little thing
Did you not read my first sentence? I am not a Mainieri basher. I think he's an excellent coach. I am not "digging" for anything. I am not out for Paul's head. I just found it odd. Maybe that's the way it's done at all big time programs.
You could add something to the conversation if you presented an explanation instead of throwing stones.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 9:16 am to JohnnyU
So when Orgeron turns the offense over to the offensive coordinator and the defense over to the defensive coordinator he's the CEO.
But when Mainieri relies upon his recruiting coordinator to recruit, he's lazy?
Okay, I think I understand now. Thanks.
But when Mainieri relies upon his recruiting coordinator to recruit, he's lazy?
Okay, I think I understand now. Thanks.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 9:17 am to geauxtigers33
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doesn’t mean Maineiri doesn’t do anything to get the kid to commit to LSU.
Not my point. I was referring to talent evaluation to determine if the kid has SEC and LSU talent.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 9:18 am to JohnnyU
Now, imagine if either O or Wade did that with players they recruited. We'd want them fired in a heartbeat.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 9:23 am to LSURussian
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So when Orgeron turns the offense over to the offensive coordinator and the defense over to the defensive coordinator he's the CEO.
But when Mainieri relies upon his recruiting coordinator to recruit, he's lazy?
Okay, I think I understand now. Thanks.
Dumb take. Who recruits those kids and has the final say in the players that the OC and DC coach? Orgeron.
Again, my post was really wondering if that seems normal for college baseball.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 9:25 am to LSUJML
quote:Well, it would require context. The lefty in question has looked great, just as Cain described. He had a rough go in the fall....but seems to overcome it. The system worked, yet here we are bashing the dude for things working out.
Is that really throwing someone under the bus or just making a comment on what he was told?
There are LSU fans that can't be talked too, they dont want to reason, they dont want to understand...they only want to express their opinion, damn the situation.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 9:31 am to JohnnyU
Just wish he would get more big athletic guys like mikie mahtook and jacoby Jones and dj lemahieu
Posted on 2/26/20 at 9:33 am to geauxtigers33
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The beauty of college baseball and playing in the SEC is that it is a long season and these freshman will get plenty at bats against quality pitching to where in May/June they will be much better than they are now. You can’t simulate a weekend SEC series even facing LSU’s top arms in practice because games are another level.
All true, but it’s a problem when most of last year’s freshman that got the ABs, and who have been in the program for a year aren’t doing a job. That’s where we are right now.
But we both know right now isn’t April so we know things can turn positive and shake out. There is plenty of time for a turnaround.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 9:34 am to pxrona
Having played on the D1 level a lot of coaches rely on their assistants to recruit. You rarely meet the HC until ur OV or something similar.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 9:35 am to tigerfoot
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Well, it would require context. The lefty in question has looked great, just as Cain described. He had a rough go in the fall....but seems to overcome it. The system worked, yet here we are bashing the dude for things working out.
The kid was really impressive Sunday. Our pitching recruiting has surpassed our regular recruiting. Does anyone know if we use more scholarship money on pitchers than on hitters?
Posted on 2/26/20 at 9:35 am to pxrona
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A few years ago my son was participating in a Perfect Games tournament in Atlanta ( Biggest one in the country). Alan Dunn and Nolan Cain were present and scouting recruits. Mainieri nowhere to be found. How many coaches strictly rely on their assistants for recruiting and never make any effort to go see a kid in person? Pure laziness and resting on his Laurels IMO.
im sure you were at LAke Point, Nolan stays there basically 3 weeks out of the year.. 15u-17u all in a row...
Baseball recruiting is very tough but Nolan does this very well. Maneri is a manager, thats what he does, none of the Head coaches recruit (I believe that year Maneri was in atlanta though with Team USA. Its Dunn and Nolans job to find players and coach them up... but baseball recruiting is about contacts and how many scouts phone numbers you have in your phone and which ones you trust...
believe me, i do this for a living... ive sent multiple guys to LSU and just about every other SEC school... I get calls all the time because of the amount of players i see in houston, either the coaches trust your word or they dont... ill say this, Nolan isnt gonna call the coach back of that lefty...
Dunn and Nolan are great guys and great coaches. last year they had bad luck with the injuries. Sometimes its very fickle with juggling your roster because youre gonna want to go after the big arms, but you cant put all your eggs in one basket because what if he takes the money in the draft...
I had a righty throwing 96 as a senior... Nolan and Dunn are the first ones i called when he was a freshman because i knew he would be special.. they were on him early, he committed, but damn agents get ahold of them and boom, draft or 1 year juco, and it happens right at the last minute where you cant get another guy... so you have to manage all that.. Nolan does it well.. but like i said it comes down to trust...
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