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re: LSU’s Orgeron has more job security than many think
Posted on 7/2/18 at 2:38 am to Tiger Voodoo
Posted on 7/2/18 at 2:38 am to Tiger Voodoo
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But when you look at the teams that are actually good that he’s played, those with winning conference records, he’s 1-3. Add in the MSU 30 point loss, who was only 4-4 yet your ilk act like they were a juggernaut, so we’ll include them and say it’s 1-4.
And don’t forget the vaunted Troy team that you claim is so underrated, so now we’re at 1-5 against quality opponents in the regular season.
The record isn’t quite so glowing now is it??
Even add in bowl games and he’s 2-6.
Hollow results have defined Orgeron's head coaching career. He only had 2 wins against teams with a winning record during his entire 3 years at Ole Miss. A 4 loss Auburn team that surrendered a 20 point halftime lead is a career best win for him.
The poster who started this thread has a very bad habit of turning Orgeron's hollow results into actual meaningful ones. He will blast information all over this board claiming it's positive and the program is very much improving under Ed. All of it is entirely speculation and not one thing he's ever posted as being positive for the program has shown to produce meaningful results on the field.
Taking evidence from O's coaching history and pairing it with logic suggests that he's just not good enough to consistently win against good football teams. Beating good teams with winning records consistently is essential to achieve the results LSU expects.
Winning at a high level is extremely hard and takes an exceptional head coach. Ed will certainly improve on his win totals from his Oxford days, but he will certainly never be an exceptional and probably even very good head coach.
This post was edited on 7/2/18 at 5:04 am
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Posted on 7/2/18 at 7:00 am to Bayou_Tiger_225
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LSU starts 1-2 and then later loses 3 in a row to UGA, MSST, and Bama.
Orgeron's biggest on field accomplishment right now is "finishing strong" as LSU's coach. This is somehow the case when LSU has lost 2 games in the back half of each season and is 1-1 in the bowl games.
Posted on 7/2/18 at 7:26 am to Tiger Ree
Figured you’d be fapping bc Stevie mentioned by name during his interview with WAFB. If he’s soliciting a convicted felon on who his starting QB should be, we are in worse shape than I thought.
Although watching our idiot AD pitching an extension for our horrible WBB coach, you might be right about job security until we replace Governor Turtle with someone that will pause from raising taxes long enough to fire that moron and his boss.
Although watching our idiot AD pitching an extension for our horrible WBB coach, you might be right about job security until we replace Governor Turtle with someone that will pause from raising taxes long enough to fire that moron and his boss.
This post was edited on 7/2/18 at 8:02 am
Posted on 7/2/18 at 7:44 am to Tiger Ree
Orgeron, or any LSU coach has about as much security as their present or next season.
If Jimbo had been LSU's coach with the record he had last year, he would have been fired or pressured relentlessly. .
If Jimbo had been LSU's coach with the record he had last year, he would have been fired or pressured relentlessly. .
Posted on 7/2/18 at 8:00 am to OPTIMAX CAT
You do know the (convicted felon) OP is on O’s payroll?
Posted on 7/2/18 at 8:15 am to RogerTheShrubber
“ if Jimbo had been the LSU coach m”
Hardly. Jimbo wouldn’t even have come here for less than a $50-$70 million package and there is no way in hell LSU could fire anyone with that kind of deal before 3 to 4 years. That’s not even considering the vast difference in resumes between a Jimbo and a coach O.
A 7 win coach O after his 1st yr would have much less job security than a 7 win Jimbo.
Hardly. Jimbo wouldn’t even have come here for less than a $50-$70 million package and there is no way in hell LSU could fire anyone with that kind of deal before 3 to 4 years. That’s not even considering the vast difference in resumes between a Jimbo and a coach O.
A 7 win coach O after his 1st yr would have much less job security than a 7 win Jimbo.
Posted on 7/2/18 at 8:39 am to OPTIMAX CAT
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Hollow results have defined Orgeron's head coaching career. He only had 2 wins against teams with a winning record during his entire 3 years at Ole Miss. A 4 loss Auburn team that surrendered a 20 point halftime lead is a career best win for him.
The poster who started this thread has a very bad habit of turning Orgeron's hollow results into actual meaningful ones. He will blast information all over this board claiming it's positive and the program is very much improving under Ed. All of it is entirely speculation and not one thing he's ever posted as being positive for the program has shown to produce meaningful results on the field.
Taking evidence from O's coaching history and pairing it with logic suggests that he's just not good enough to consistently win against good football teams. Beating good teams with winning records consistently is essential to achieve the results LSU expects.
Winning at a high level is extremely hard and takes an exceptional head coach. Ed will certainly improve on his win totals from his Oxford days, but he will certainly never be an exceptional and probably even very good head coach.
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Posted on 7/2/18 at 9:10 am to Tiger Ree
Look, Orgeron has nothing in his past to suggest he can be a successful HC. Nothing. He has has some good recruiting of late, but he has to beat 'Bama and win the west before anyone will take him seriously. I hope he can do it. Time will tell.
Posted on 7/2/18 at 9:45 am to Tiger Ree
Anyone thinking Orgeron gets fired after this season is a clown. We are still paying Miles' contract. Are we then going to add paying off Miles, Orgeron, and Coach X? He's here for at least 2-3 more years. More if he wins. Time to come to grips with that.
Posted on 7/2/18 at 11:10 am to A Menace to Sobriety
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Given he is the worst head coach in Ole Miss history,
and not the worst in LSU history
Posted on 7/2/18 at 11:14 am to Topwater Trout
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and not the worst in LSU history
Overall? No. But considering how short his stint has been, he already has some dubious distinctions.
Posted on 7/2/18 at 11:39 am to Topwater Trout
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not the worst in LSU history
He's the worst hire...by far.
I swear it's like I'm taking crazy pills having to argue with people defending the hiring of a man with a career head coaching record of 10-25 to LSU in November 2015.
LSU was 162-50 (90-40 SEC) combined between the two previous coaches, combing for 2 National Titles, a third appearance, 4 SEC titles, and a 5th appearance in the SEC title game.
And we hired our very own DL coach who had ZERO other offers anywhere else in the country to be a head coach to replace these two guys and their accomplishments.
But yup...it all might miraculously work out, so frick it...let's just pretend that it will!
Posted on 7/2/18 at 11:40 am to Topwater Trout
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and not the worst in LSU history
So this is the measuring stick now?
Posted on 7/2/18 at 11:41 am to RB10
quote:Man the standards have gone to shite. Yay he's not the worst coach in the history of LSU football. what an accomplishment.
and not the worst in LSU history So this is the measuring stick now?
Posted on 7/2/18 at 11:42 am to Topwater Trout
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not the worst in LSU history
WE COMIN'!
Posted on 7/2/18 at 11:45 am to GeauxTigerTM
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He's the worst hire...by far.
bullshite... That would be Curley BY FAR.............
Posted on 7/2/18 at 11:51 am to dukke v
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bullshite... That would be Curley BY FAR.............
At the time of the hire, which is what the previous poster is talking about, Hallman was 23-11 as a head coach.
Posted on 7/2/18 at 12:00 pm to RB10
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Hallman was 23-11 as a head coach.
And got lucky to beat Bama... He beat A bunch of nobodies... Well just look what happened AFTER he was hired.......... Sorry he IS the worst hire in LSU football history.... Not giving O props at all... Just sayin......
Posted on 7/2/18 at 12:04 pm to dukke v
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And got lucky to beat Bama... He beat A bunch of nobodies... Well just look what happened AFTER he was hired.......... Sorry he IS the worst hire in LSU football history.... Not giving O props at all... Just sayin......
I knew I would end up having to explain this to you like you were a child.......sigh
When discussing who was a worse HIRE in the context provided, you do not consider what they did at the school in any way. You take a comparison of their resume PRIOR TO BEING HIRED BY LSU, and make the determination using that information. If you want to discuss who was/is the worse COACH, you've got a point. Hallman was an unmitigated disaster.
It is a very subtle distinction.
Posted on 7/2/18 at 12:23 pm to RB10
Ok that's fine....
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