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re: LSU Pitching
Posted on 3/16/25 at 9:59 pm to Double Oh
Posted on 3/16/25 at 9:59 pm to Double Oh
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But Hold That Tiger 10 said the pitching was as good as advertised lol
You've repeated this twice, but do you care to point out when I said this? Just because you got laughed out of the thread you started there isn't a need to just make shite up and repeat it nonstop.
Posted on 3/16/25 at 10:20 pm to TexTgrTed
Beginning to think this is a yeskie trait
Posted on 3/17/25 at 6:13 am to texastigerr
Two starting pitchers that are supposed to have a higher ceiling than the Friday night guy couldn't make it out of the fourth inning against one of the worst teams in the SEC. Middle relief needs to limit free passes and get into pitcher friendly counts. Obviously early, and I am sure that they will improve, but not the look you want having to go to Austin this weekend. Let's see how they can adjust!
Posted on 3/17/25 at 6:39 am to texastigerr
The walks are my biggest concern. Way too many wild and/or non competitive pitches and too many free passes. All the pitchers have potential swing and miss stuff, i think some need to learn to pitch to contact though. We saw opening weekend that pretty much all of them have the ability to throw strikes with consistency.
We've seen just about all of Jay's teams struggle mid-season from a pitching perspective but come into form for the end of the year, and I don't see any reason why this staff can't end up really really good. Id like to see it happen earlier though.
We've seen just about all of Jay's teams struggle mid-season from a pitching perspective but come into form for the end of the year, and I don't see any reason why this staff can't end up really really good. Id like to see it happen earlier though.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 6:39 am to TigerAficionado10
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Two starting pitchers that are supposed to have a higher ceiling than the Friday night guy couldn't make it out of the fourth inning against one of the worst teams in the SEC
Why does Eyanson have a higher ceiling than Anderson? Where does the narrative come from that Anderson is a low ceiling pitcher?
Shores I can see saying he has a higher ceiling. He is coming off of not pitching in a year though. The hope is that he will continue to get better as the year progresses. We will very much need him to.
I love what we have seen from Schmidt early in the year, but we will have to let him settle in. He showed Saturday that the moment got the best of him in his first SEC appearance. I don't think Ware can start, because we will desperately need a solid LH option out of the pen and Primeaux 100% is not that option.
So bottom line, we have to roll with what we have. I'm not as confident in the staff as I was going into the season, but there are certainly 8 or so guys you can be really hopeful that can carry us to plenty of wins.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 6:48 am to texastigerr
Its still early, we have some really got arms coming out of the bullpen but we are trying to find a handful of guys to be consistent. I expect Jay to be more selective as the season goes on. I mean when Guidry is back that will be 19 pitchers used. Thats a big number, the Freshmen have been impressive and Cowan has been $
Posted on 3/17/25 at 7:02 am to texastigerr
Obviously, having your Saturday and Sunday starter not make it out of the 4th inning is a bit concerning. But baseball is the wrong sport to make assumptions based off a game or short series. If it happens again this weekend, might be some reason for concern.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 7:10 am to texastigerr
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How do you think LSU's pitching is doing so far?
This is all anecdotal without looking at stats….
Generally, the staff is super talented. They’ve pitched well overall, but could work on consistency.
Anderson and Cowan have been nails.
Eyanson is really good, but tends to have an inning or so where he gets touched up pretty good.
Shores outing yesterday didn’t feel like his best to me, but he did have some bright spots. I believe he was pulled in the 4th. I think he will be better….
Cowan is going to be critical out of the pen bailing us out of tough situations all season.
I hope Guidry is back soon. Surely he will need to knockoff some rust and get going, so the earlier we can start that the better. Add his arm and experience to this staff, and it’s gonna be really good!
Overall, the staff has been good, but needs to be more consistent.
There has been many instances that they pitched themselves out of jams.
The “sky is falling” comments are nonsense. The staff is good. Late season, I think they will be among the best in the country.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 7:17 am to texastigerr
I'm curious as well. How does it stack up to Tn at the moment? Or against the other top 5 programs, for that matter? Can it get to the point where it's the best in baseball?
Posted on 3/17/25 at 7:19 am to texastigerr
On this next portal go around I hope they have learned their lesson of not finding enough guys who can throw strikes (almost everyone they got from the portal sans Cowan).
Need to find guys who can fill a strike zone more than just finding stuff. It is a bit frustrating this is rearing its ugly head once again this season under Yeskie, but plenty of time to still get it turned around. Way too much talent to have too many guys unable to consistently hit strike zone.
It definitely is obvious we are missing Guidry (And Herring) right now
Need to find guys who can fill a strike zone more than just finding stuff. It is a bit frustrating this is rearing its ugly head once again this season under Yeskie, but plenty of time to still get it turned around. Way too much talent to have too many guys unable to consistently hit strike zone.
It definitely is obvious we are missing Guidry (And Herring) right now
This post was edited on 3/17/25 at 7:21 am
Posted on 3/17/25 at 7:24 am to texastigerr
I'll tell you one thing: If Shores doesn't develop a legitimate secondary pitch, which has been a problem since he got to LSU, he's not going to stick in the rotation. People talk about his "great stuff", but all he's ever had is a fastball. And because he throws so hard, people think he just needs to throw strikes. But he has no command of that slider, it has little depth, and hitters have shown no respect for it. They sit on that fastball, and as a result, what doesn't get put in play, turns into an inordinate amount of foul balls, until he ends up walking the guy or giving up a hit.
Some of the few times I've seen his slider generate a swing and a miss this season has been when a hitter has clearly made up his mind he's swinging, and they've chased that thing in the other batters box. It's just not a legitimate offering. In his freshman season, it was a curveball that he was attempting to throw, with the same issue: No depth, no command. Both pitches have either been nowhere near the zone, or hanging in the middle of the plate. Sometimes the hitters freeze on the one's down the middle because, as I stated, they don't respect it, and therefore aren't looking for it. But then the next is typically spiked in the dirt, three feet outside.
I can hang with the idea that his command is off after the time he's missed, but not having a secondary pitch that even looks promising, does not tell me that a breakout is just around the corner. Eyanson has been up and down, but outside of that looping curveball that he would do well to abandon, in my opinion, his slider and splitter are nasty when he's on. I think he's ultimately going to be ok. But Shores has work to do to stay in the rotation. Cowan has more experience and is way more trustworthy for that role, right now, but the only thing that might stop Jay from inserting him into the rotation, would be the same reason he left Herring in the bullpen all of last season: A lack of reliable relievers.
Some of the few times I've seen his slider generate a swing and a miss this season has been when a hitter has clearly made up his mind he's swinging, and they've chased that thing in the other batters box. It's just not a legitimate offering. In his freshman season, it was a curveball that he was attempting to throw, with the same issue: No depth, no command. Both pitches have either been nowhere near the zone, or hanging in the middle of the plate. Sometimes the hitters freeze on the one's down the middle because, as I stated, they don't respect it, and therefore aren't looking for it. But then the next is typically spiked in the dirt, three feet outside.
I can hang with the idea that his command is off after the time he's missed, but not having a secondary pitch that even looks promising, does not tell me that a breakout is just around the corner. Eyanson has been up and down, but outside of that looping curveball that he would do well to abandon, in my opinion, his slider and splitter are nasty when he's on. I think he's ultimately going to be ok. But Shores has work to do to stay in the rotation. Cowan has more experience and is way more trustworthy for that role, right now, but the only thing that might stop Jay from inserting him into the rotation, would be the same reason he left Herring in the bullpen all of last season: A lack of reliable relievers.
This post was edited on 3/17/25 at 7:35 am
Posted on 3/17/25 at 8:26 am to Metaloctopus
I agree with what you said about Cowan. He could be your Sunday starter…. But, he may be more valuable in the pen.
When Guidry comes back, it could be the same situation.
When Guidry comes back, it could be the same situation.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:54 am to texastigerr
A lot of the pitchers we threw out there this weekend were seeing their first SEC action ever. Even a guy like Shores threw in what maybe 3 SEC games 2 years ago. I think we'll be fine on the mound once they figure out who they can trust and who they know can throw multiple times a weekend.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:09 am to TackySweater
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It’s very suss and if it stays like this, we lose a lot of SEC series
yep, and we wont sweep a single SEC series, amirite?
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:13 am to PureBlood
I think the pitching would would improve if when we got hitters to two strikes we didn't start immediately calling for pitches out of the zone to induce chases. We have guys that are good enough to get whiffs in the zone. And we have guys that can induce weak contact. We don't need to keep nibbling and then falling behind. And driving our own pitch count up in the process.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:15 am to Bacon84
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I agree with what you said about Cowan. He could be your Sunday starter…. But, he may be more valuable in the pen.
he throws strikes has swing a miss stuff and can pitch multiple innings multiple times a weekend.
that’s a really valuable piece.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:53 am to HattiesburgTiger5439
idk about best in baseball but absolutely it can be a top end pitching staff
between Shores, Schmidt and Eyanson we need someone to turn the corner and become a quality Saturday starter.
I think Eyanson at a minimum could give you enough quality innings on a sunday to be competitive in most games.
If he can get past this thing were he blows up 1 inning a game he could be a quality saturday pitcher.
Schmidt has looked really good and at other times really nervous.
I didnt get to see Shores this weekend but last weekend it felt like he couldn’t buy a strike in the edge of the zone. Idk if it was
more of the same this week or what.
but he had a slow start in 2023 and before he got hurt he was pitching really well out the pen.
Cowan is good. Evans is a beast.
I want to see more of Cooper Williams.
Primeaux doesn’t need 3 outings a weekend.
we saw diminished returns in that.
I am hoping we get Cooper Williams some work this week.
between Shores, Schmidt and Eyanson we need someone to turn the corner and become a quality Saturday starter.
I think Eyanson at a minimum could give you enough quality innings on a sunday to be competitive in most games.
If he can get past this thing were he blows up 1 inning a game he could be a quality saturday pitcher.
Schmidt has looked really good and at other times really nervous.
I didnt get to see Shores this weekend but last weekend it felt like he couldn’t buy a strike in the edge of the zone. Idk if it was
more of the same this week or what.
but he had a slow start in 2023 and before he got hurt he was pitching really well out the pen.
Cowan is good. Evans is a beast.
I want to see more of Cooper Williams.
Primeaux doesn’t need 3 outings a weekend.
we saw diminished returns in that.
I am hoping we get Cooper Williams some work this week.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:58 am to SammyTiger
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I want to see more of Cooper Williams.
Primeaux doesn’t need 3 outings a weekend.
we saw diminished returns in that.
I am hoping we get Cooper Williams some work this week.
This is 1 thing I didnt quite understand. Primeaux got 3 appearances this weekend and Williams got none. Are we trying to throw Primeaux's arm off? I realize Williams had some control issues (As does EVERY reliever not named Cowan at this point), but Primeaux hasnt exactly always been sharp himself. Seems weird to lean on him THAT much this early on. I realize he's in there to basically get a few lefties out in a row out, but Williams cant do that as well?
This post was edited on 3/17/25 at 11:02 am
Posted on 3/17/25 at 11:08 am to PureBlood
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yep, and we wont sweep a single SEC series, amirite?
Lol. You struggle with simple comprehension
Posted on 3/17/25 at 11:12 am to ProjectP2294
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think the pitching would would improve if when we got hitters to two strikes we didn't start immediately calling for pitches out of the zone to induce chases. We have guys that are good enough to get whiffs in the zone. And we have guys that can induce weak contact. We don't need to keep nibbling and then falling behind. And driving our own pitch count up in the process.
I agree P2, two strike approach has been the concern under Yeskie. These guys have the stuff to put people away but give up too many hits with two strikes & lose too many hitters after being ahead.
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