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re: LSU locks the "Brady Spread Offense" in the closet for most of the 1st half vs Miss St

Posted on 10/21/19 at 8:16 am to
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
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Posted on 10/21/19 at 8:16 am to
Bunch formation with 4 or 5 out in patterns is not Power-I with TE's covered up.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 10/21/19 at 8:17 am to
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Burrow said, "If we play like this against Auburn, we will lose." I agree 100%


I think 99% of fans will take that to mean player execution...I don't see JB EVER calling out a coach or staff...that goes completely against how the kid brought up.
Posted by xGeauxLSUx
United States of Atrophy
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Posted on 10/21/19 at 8:18 am to
I like the Tight formations.

Condenses defense towards center of the field so we can better attack the edges with speed.
Posted by oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2006
26411 posts
Posted on 10/21/19 at 8:19 am to
Buckeye Joe seems more concerned that Burrow won't get his numbers than LSU actually winning games. Shocker, I tell you.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
41329 posts
Posted on 10/21/19 at 8:19 am to
Tight bunch formations are a great way to beat man coverage and great ways to overload zones.

We moved the ball against State at Will in the first three drives, but got more down in the red zone thanks to some terrible officiating and the fact that spread passing teams usually do struggle in the red zone due to lack of space and real estate.

We took our foot off the gas at the end of the game on offenses, as evidenced by putting a backup in. The offense is fine
Posted by xGeauxLSUx
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Posted on 10/21/19 at 8:19 am to
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Bunch formation


When did we run Bunch?
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 10/21/19 at 8:19 am to
I think we need someone to make a Spread 101 thread because some of you are lost.
Posted by mule74
Watersound Beach
Member since Nov 2004
12511 posts
Posted on 10/21/19 at 8:20 am to
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Yeah, that TD, Burrow to McMath, was from a non-spread set. But that was the busted coverage to end all busted coverages (however, the Moo DB DID point at McMath as he flew by... so, he had that going for him)


We had 4 WRs in a tight set. We’ve been doing that all season. Do you know why they do that??? Because it creates coverage busts when the receivers break out of the bunch.

You know who else uses bunch sets? The Saints.

I can’t stand this nonsense that every time a drive doesn’t lead to 7 that suddenly O and Ensminger have hijacked the offense and then as soon as it works that Brady must be back in charge.
This post was edited on 10/21/19 at 8:26 am
Posted by RidiculousHype
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Member since Sep 2007
10736 posts
Posted on 10/21/19 at 8:20 am to
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THAT shite hasn't been "favorable" since the 1970s.

Here's the thing...if you're gonna play "opinionated guy" on the Internet, you need to educate yourself on the topic first. Bunch has zero to do with the "heavy" formations of the 1970's.

Bunches of fun: The offensive formation taking the NFL by storm

Why the Atlanta Falcons' bunch formation succeeds

quote:

The reasons NFL teams are beginning to incorporate bunch style sets are numerous, but the basic idea(s) behind the scheme is to flood an area with receiving options, creating confusion for the defense and helping the quick passing game by facilitating separation and easy reads for the quarterback. The crisscrossed route concepts you can run from bunch -- which create natural picks for the offensive players as receivers and defensive backs run into each other -- make it very difficult for opposing defenses to play man-to-man coverage. So, in essence, you can dictate to the defense what they must do. In this case, play off man or zone defense (or, you can take advantage of them if they refuse).

Against man coverage, bunch creates picks or rubs that allow receivers to get open, and against zone coverage, it can create a numbers advantage by putting three receiving options in a zone that's defended by two opponents. Simply put, it's confusing to defend.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
41329 posts
Posted on 10/21/19 at 8:21 am to
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we've got to relax because he staff knows what they are doing.


For the first time in a while I fully, 100% believe this
Posted by Mohican
Member since Nov 2012
6958 posts
Posted on 10/21/19 at 8:21 am to
Not scoring in the red zone was just getting outplayed IMO. We passed the ball to try to score, State just made plays. Oline got beat a couple times, Shoop called some excellent delayed blitzes and there was tight coverage.

It’s going to get harder as the season goes on. DCs will find ways to slow us down somewhat. We have to be multiple.
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 10/21/19 at 8:25 am to
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Simply put, it's confusing to defend.
Yeah, right. Miss St had no trouble defending it.

If it ain't broke, DON'T fix it!
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
41329 posts
Posted on 10/21/19 at 8:25 am to
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think 99% of fans will take that to mean player execution...I don't see JB EVER calling out a coach or staff...that goes completely against how the kid brought up.


The only way only 99% of fans believe that is if LSU only has 100 fans and Buckeye is the one that took it to JB calling out the coaches
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
19127 posts
Posted on 10/21/19 at 8:27 am to
We've been doing it a fair amount all season; I'm going to guess 10%.

We ran it alot more just going off memory Sat. I think McMath's TD was out of bunch formation (he was opposite of overload).

Many are making the false assumption that it is 'old school'. Sending 4 or 5 out in patterns is not that.

Personally, I'd rather see the Bunch less in the redzone and more in the middle of the field. Guy above is right, it condenses the defenders so you have more space to run to after snap. Which in middle of field you have both vertical and horizontal space to use (when you have 4 or 5 using it).

In the redzone everything has to happen quicker, and it is already condensed. Hence spread them out pre-snap with everybody flexed/split out.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
41329 posts
Posted on 10/21/19 at 8:27 am to
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Yeah, right. Miss St had no trouble defending it.


Then why did we successfully get within the 10 yard line so damn easily on our first 3 drives?
Posted by redfish99
B.R.
Member since Aug 2007
18700 posts
Posted on 10/21/19 at 8:27 am to
We’ve run a ton of bunch formations all year.
Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
33243 posts
Posted on 10/21/19 at 8:28 am to
Is this another thread imparting wisdom to the expert coaches that game plan the nations most prolific offense?

Well, who’d have thunk you were so diverse in your skill set, doctor.

I’d suggest moonlighting this week on a cure for cancer.

Best of luck!
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 10/21/19 at 8:29 am to
So, the Atlanta Falcons are running the Bunch. Sweet!

They have 1 win and 6 losses... Right?
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
69517 posts
Posted on 10/21/19 at 8:30 am to
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Buckeye Joe seems more concerned that Burrow won't get his numbers than LSU actually winning games. Shocker, I tell you.


definitely
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
61275 posts
Posted on 10/21/19 at 8:31 am to
Buckeye stays lost about everything
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