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re: LSU locks the "Brady Spread Offense" in the closet for most of the 1st half vs Miss St
Posted on 10/21/19 at 7:29 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
Posted on 10/21/19 at 7:29 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Posted on 10/21/19 at 7:31 pm to The First Cut
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But it was....
He wont respond to you now you proved him wrong.
He still hasn't answered to the last thing he was called out on with proof.
Posted on 10/21/19 at 7:35 pm to xGeauxLSUx
You're right, that was not bunch. I was going off memory and cursory glances.
My point, not to you but Buckeye Jeaux, is that any tight formation isn't a protection heavy formation. That is not the design or intention of it necessarily.
The point is indeed if you are sending 4 out in patterns (keeping RB in), you're not in enhanced protection, definitely not max protect.
The majority of tight formations (not bunch) we're sending 1 right in middle of field about 5 yds, that's your outlet. 1 out 7-10 yds. 2 deep (posts? skinny posts?), whichever of those two attracts the S becomes the clearout for the out route (Moss in the MSU game) OR, if leverage wrong, the other deep route.
Just because they line up that way, if they go into routes it is not anything close to what he's thinking/insinuating.
Worth noting that we've had some very good runs out all tight formations. Including CEH's chunk yards on 3rd and short, which was bunch formation. If you watch those they are also setting up bubble (or slip?) screens with the WR. The short side WR (when in bunch) isn't blocking, he's setup to run that screen if Burrow sees something (especially if given cushion).
So in the future, what we'll see is a triple combo out of the bunch formations, bubble screen to short side, RB between the tackles OR bounce outside to that short side, and (most importantly) the inside WR on the wide side bunch heading to all that open green if the S bites on the run. The bubble screen will be kept in back pocket for S cheating for that WR on the wide side.
But at any rate, watch that wide side on any bunch that we run out of successfully on previous plays, those S are cheating up and in with every run. That's a lot of green to play in.
My point, not to you but Buckeye Jeaux, is that any tight formation isn't a protection heavy formation. That is not the design or intention of it necessarily.
The point is indeed if you are sending 4 out in patterns (keeping RB in), you're not in enhanced protection, definitely not max protect.
The majority of tight formations (not bunch) we're sending 1 right in middle of field about 5 yds, that's your outlet. 1 out 7-10 yds. 2 deep (posts? skinny posts?), whichever of those two attracts the S becomes the clearout for the out route (Moss in the MSU game) OR, if leverage wrong, the other deep route.
Just because they line up that way, if they go into routes it is not anything close to what he's thinking/insinuating.
Worth noting that we've had some very good runs out all tight formations. Including CEH's chunk yards on 3rd and short, which was bunch formation. If you watch those they are also setting up bubble (or slip?) screens with the WR. The short side WR (when in bunch) isn't blocking, he's setup to run that screen if Burrow sees something (especially if given cushion).
So in the future, what we'll see is a triple combo out of the bunch formations, bubble screen to short side, RB between the tackles OR bounce outside to that short side, and (most importantly) the inside WR on the wide side bunch heading to all that open green if the S bites on the run. The bubble screen will be kept in back pocket for S cheating for that WR on the wide side.
But at any rate, watch that wide side on any bunch that we run out of successfully on previous plays, those S are cheating up and in with every run. That's a lot of green to play in.
Posted on 10/21/19 at 7:36 pm to TigerDat
We haven’t even addressed the fact that a bunch formation is a spread formation.
Posted on 10/21/19 at 7:36 pm to The First Cut
That's a lineman next to 44 - That's NOT a bunch formation.. That's a straight Tight formation. Bunch is 3 receivers together
And you CAN run a bunch from the spread, but it can also be run from the tight
And you CAN run a bunch from the spread, but it can also be run from the tight
This post was edited on 10/21/19 at 7:38 pm
Posted on 10/21/19 at 7:39 pm to DeathByTossDive225
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“Spread” refers to an offensive philosophy
Wrong. While the term has been used by media personalities in this form, the actual term spread came about because of the line splits of offensive linemen are wider than the splits in traditional I & pro set formations.
PRO SET FORMATION
I FORMATION
SPREAD FORMATION
The I & Pro Set formations call for 1 foot splits by the linemen while Spread Formations require 3 feet splits. There's a reason behind this.
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As you can see we are basing this picture on three-foot splits between each lineman, and their feet being spread at three feet in their stance. This fives us a distance of 27 ft from tackle to tackle, for a total width of 27ft (9 yards).
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In this picture we show an example of one foot line splits. It makes a total width 16 ft (5.1) yards.
Now this equation takes into account the following:
Quarterback is at a depth of 5 Yards
The line splits as given, and the defensive end being able to run a 4.8 forty yard dash. In taking a straight line with no blocking he can arrive at the quarterback.
If we allowed the variable of the wide-set tackle and resistance from blocking this idea could take on a great set of variables. So as we can see we have a definite distance on a one step drop of 5.9 yards, and on a three-step drop of 7.3 yards, that the defensive end would have to travel in order to reach his goal of the quarterback.
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Now lets look at the same mathematical equation using our three-foot splits.
We arrive at the distance for a one step drop of 6.74 yards, and a 3 step drop of 7.84 yards. Now we can see from the line splits that we have obviously created more distance by expanding the splits with the offensive line.
But anyone who has taken a course on physics knows that can also create time. Time is something we are always trying to create in the game, and especially in passing the football. So just how much time to we create with these splits?
Well in a one step drop utilizing the wide splits we create .12 seconds, and in the three-step drop we create .24 seconds. Now this may not seem worth while, but anyone who has ever been to any kind of race will tell you .12 seconds is an eternity in racing. So this can create the make or break of a pass play. Creating more time allows the quarterback more vision, and better decision-making ability.
It also more importantly expands the passing pocket by creating over 4 yards more pocket before the ball is even being snapped. Thus allowing your lineman and quarterback more room to move and “buy” even more time. We are extending the nature of the play by alignment and not athletic ability.
Posted on 10/21/19 at 7:43 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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My objection was 19 "tight" formations - which are essentially max protect formations.
Lol Tight formations are not necessarily max protection formations idiot.
Posted on 10/21/19 at 7:44 pm to BigBrod81
I'd agree that the line gaps were an early iteration of the spread.
Here's a more current definition:
Definition of spread formation. : an offensive football formation in which the pass receivers are spread out across the field.
Source - Mirriam
Here's a more current definition:
Definition of spread formation. : an offensive football formation in which the pass receivers are spread out across the field.
Source - Mirriam
This post was edited on 10/21/19 at 7:45 pm
Posted on 10/21/19 at 7:46 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Definition of spread formation. : an offensive football formation in which the pass receivers are spread out across the field.
Negative. Spread formation, by definition, is a three receiver set (or more) with the QB in the shotgun or pistol.
Posted on 10/21/19 at 7:46 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
Bottom line is that they came out sloppy.. Burrow said it himself............... He also said that if we play like we did in the 1st half against AU we would lose.
Posted on 10/21/19 at 7:47 pm to BigBrod81
quote:No. But there are often used for max protect. And that was the context that O used in his presser today.
Lol Tight formations are not necessarily max protection formations idiot.
Posted on 10/21/19 at 7:51 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Do you even know what a "bunch" set is? There were 2 the entire time Burrow played in the Miss St game.
My objection was 19 "tight" formations - which are essentially max protect formations.
Joe can find the open guy in under 2.5 seconds. He doesn't need max protect. He needs 4 & 5 receivers flooding the DBs.
Orgeron addressed this in this afternoons presser. He said he addressed it with Brady and E this morning. And will try to get Burrow 5 receivers instead of extra blockers.
I know this is difficult for you to understand because your IQ is below room temperature, but we're going to do what's best for LSU to win, not necessarily what's best for Joe's stats.
Posted on 10/21/19 at 7:52 pm to The First Cut
quote:Take it up with the Mirriam editors. Or start your own dictionary.
Negative. Spread formation, by definition, is a three receiver set (or more) with the QB in the shotgun or pistol.
And there is NO definitive spread. There are many variations. Neither your definition nor Merriam's covers all variations
Posted on 10/21/19 at 7:52 pm to The First Cut
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Negative. Spread formation, by definition, is a three receiver set (or more) with the QB in the shotgun or pistol.
Spread is just the new fun term to use. This offensive philosophy has been around longer than most even realize. Buffalo Bills ( K-Gun offense) BYU Cougars (Air Raid) Houston Cougars (Run & Shoot) Florida Gators (Fun & Gun) Different names, same concepts & philosophies.
This post was edited on 10/21/19 at 7:55 pm
Posted on 10/21/19 at 7:53 pm to slackster
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but we're going to do what's best for LSU to win, not necessarily what's best for Joe's stats.
He will never get this point...............
Posted on 10/21/19 at 7:55 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Buckeye Jeaux
WTF are you freaking whining about? 12 pages of this crap? Just sthu already.
We won the game convincingly. Move on (preferably to different team's message board).
Damn
This post was edited on 10/21/19 at 7:58 pm
Posted on 10/21/19 at 7:55 pm to The First Cut
quote:Let's get back to the issue that is still hanging. Do you agree that a lineman is next to 44? Not a receiver?
Negative. Spread formation, by definition, is a three receiver set (or more) with the QB in the shotgun or pistol.
Posted on 10/21/19 at 7:58 pm to dukke v
quote:I have a tidy ticket on LSU to win the Natty at preseason odds.
He will never get this point...............
I'm happy to see JB compile stats, but the Natty is what I am all about (even if I didn't have the ticket)
Posted on 10/21/19 at 7:59 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
quote:first drive - pi. new set of downs. not saying lsu would have scored anyway but lsu would have scored anyway
First three three drives into the Red Zone with no TDs was not on purpose
third fg - burrow scrambled and dillon was open but he made the mistake of not running back to burrow. because he stood still, the defender closed on him and made a play. hard to be upset with dillon because he has made some huge plays for lsu in his career.
lsu definitely changed up the game plan after the last td. not sure why and it's funny that people think they know why
Posted on 10/21/19 at 8:01 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
He just broke the record for passing TDs and also had 4 in the game you’re bitching about and completed 78% of his passes...and that was a “bad” game 
you need to quit crying
you need to quit crying
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