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re: LSU is not a rebuild. LSU hired O to avoid a rebuild.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 4:18 am to SportTiger1
Posted on 9/20/17 at 4:18 am to SportTiger1
There it is you're admitting that you are judging what happened Saturday based on something that happened over 10 years ago at a different school while ignoring everything that's happened since. You're not the only one who does this and the fact that a large portion of the rant thinks this way is down right scary. It's also very disturbing that you took what I said as bashing Miles when all I did was present the facts of what happened during that game. Not once did I use any adjective or opinion to characterize the man and you still took it as an attack. Just shows the incredible bias and double standard comparisons involved with both coaches.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 4:21 am
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Posted on 9/20/17 at 5:12 am to Katy Tiger
The X's and O's go hand in hand with the jimmys and joes. Coaching is just as critical.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 5:33 am to TigerFan4040
Awww. Look at all your downvotes. Amazing how many folks here see eye to eye.
Dumb post is dumb.
Dumb post is dumb.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 5:44 am to SlowFlowPro
Lol sure we don't need to rebuild just reload and keep this machine running like it has been.
2016 - 2-2 start - 8-4 overall
2015 - 3 blowout losses in a row - 9-3 overall
2014 - 3-2 start with a blowout loss - 8-5 overall
You're right we just reload and churn out 8 win seasons like clockwork but we should be rebuilding. Which is what we are doing in reality.
2016 - 2-2 start - 8-4 overall
2015 - 3 blowout losses in a row - 9-3 overall
2014 - 3-2 start with a blowout loss - 8-5 overall
You're right we just reload and churn out 8 win seasons like clockwork but we should be rebuilding. Which is what we are doing in reality.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 5:45 am
Posted on 9/20/17 at 6:06 am to Freauxzen
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I hammered most of the summer. The plan doesn't make sense unless O can routinely 1) Hire the very best coordinators nearly most likely every 1-2 years 2) Incorporate new philosophies very quickly This whole idea that the THE PLAN is to constantly hire the best coordinators IS DUMB. There's no guiding philosophy, there's no single, strong vision leading them. We're just running a separate offense and defense, not an overall game plan. There's a difference between a head coach where the plan is do control the game of football by doing x, y, and z and hiring coordinators that can help that vision - and having to do that frequently..... and planning to hire coordinators frequently as the basis of the plan. It's mindboggling that people don't see that. I still askk: What is O's vision for LSU football? How does he want to win games? How does he approach the game of football?
Good points. Want to see a vision?
HERE is when LSU was led by a clear and coherent vision and message from the top.
LINK
Posted on 9/20/17 at 6:11 am to Madking
To compare Miles and Orgeron at this point:
First of all, Saban left LSU the day after Christmas, and Miles was quite likely the best available option at that point.
Winning record at a smaller Big 12 program, had beaten Oklahoma a couple times, was going to bowls. Pickings were slim, and LSU made the best move it could make in the situation.
Miles was crucified for the Tennessee game, right down to the criticism of his Madonna earphones. Do you not remember that? I do.
Orgeron was hired after we fired Miles early in the season, earlier than anyone else. The proud and mighty LSU had the jump on the entire field when it came to finding a coach. We were a destination, a top 5 program we said, and Miles' success was evidence that any decent coach could win, and a good one would return us to perennial contender. We were going hunting for big game.
We then hired a retread who had an awful prior record in the SEC, who was not unemployed only because we had him on staff, not as a coordinator, but as a position coach. We made the worst of that situation. But hey, give him a chance.
Ok, the chance has been taken- and he got lit up at Starkville.
Miles responded by winning the rest of the games on the schedule, before losing to Georgia in Atlanta, and then beating the shite out of a major program in a bowl.
I hope and pray Orgeron does exactly the same. If he does, that would be fantastic. As of now, I don't have much faith that will happen. I think we all hope he proves me wrong on that.
First of all, Saban left LSU the day after Christmas, and Miles was quite likely the best available option at that point.
Winning record at a smaller Big 12 program, had beaten Oklahoma a couple times, was going to bowls. Pickings were slim, and LSU made the best move it could make in the situation.
Miles was crucified for the Tennessee game, right down to the criticism of his Madonna earphones. Do you not remember that? I do.
Orgeron was hired after we fired Miles early in the season, earlier than anyone else. The proud and mighty LSU had the jump on the entire field when it came to finding a coach. We were a destination, a top 5 program we said, and Miles' success was evidence that any decent coach could win, and a good one would return us to perennial contender. We were going hunting for big game.
We then hired a retread who had an awful prior record in the SEC, who was not unemployed only because we had him on staff, not as a coordinator, but as a position coach. We made the worst of that situation. But hey, give him a chance.
Ok, the chance has been taken- and he got lit up at Starkville.
Miles responded by winning the rest of the games on the schedule, before losing to Georgia in Atlanta, and then beating the shite out of a major program in a bowl.
I hope and pray Orgeron does exactly the same. If he does, that would be fantastic. As of now, I don't have much faith that will happen. I think we all hope he proves me wrong on that.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 6:18 am to L S Usetheforce
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Our DL issues are based off Herron suspended, rashard and ed hurt and shelvin not cleared....
But our DL will be balling once rashard Herron and ed can all play....
THIS!!!
Posted on 9/20/17 at 6:33 am to SlowFlowPro
For reference: lsu recruiting
2014-2 in the sec 2nd in the country
2015-3 in the sec 5th in the country
2016-2 in the sec 3rd in the country
2017-3 in the sec 7th in the country
So can you guess which team has recruited the best after Alabama? Lsu
The talent of the team in comparison to the on the field performance is mind boggling. How can this team need to rebuild when it has recruited so well?
2014-2 in the sec 2nd in the country
2015-3 in the sec 5th in the country
2016-2 in the sec 3rd in the country
2017-3 in the sec 7th in the country
So can you guess which team has recruited the best after Alabama? Lsu
The talent of the team in comparison to the on the field performance is mind boggling. How can this team need to rebuild when it has recruited so well?
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 6:35 am
Posted on 9/20/17 at 6:37 am to timlan2057
Damn, that's impressive.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 6:37 am to timlan2057
Holy shite that's the damn military no wonder his system worked this is bad arse where did you find this at?
Posted on 9/20/17 at 7:13 am to Madking
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Madking
youre fricking stupid. i personally know players on the team that had family members lose everything. i had close friends lose everything.
comparing what ever the frick ed Orgeron went through to what miles and lsu went through during katrina and Rita shows youre a bitch. eat a dick.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 7:16 am
Posted on 9/20/17 at 7:17 am to Rickdaddy4188
And you're a grandstanding pompous liar. But regardless you still have no answer for how the storm only caused problems in the 4th quarter and didn't effect the first 3 or how the storms didn't give us trouble vs Arizona State. Lol I guess the hurricane made Miles go into a shell with 30 minutes to go in the game, I guess the storm caused him to not get any points inside the 5 with a timeout left before half too. We have a large portion of the roster from Texas but you don't see anyone bitching and moaning about O having to deal with those players family troubles cause nobody's making sorry arse excuses for him the way you do for Miles. It's the same old song and dance with you, excuses on top of excuses for Miles but none allowed for anyone els. You're a pathetic shil and what little football smarts you have are cancelled out by your complete and total bias combined with an inferiority complex that replaces rational thought with childish lashing out anytime you're countered or proven incorrect. Grow up lil boy.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 7:43 am
Posted on 9/20/17 at 7:20 am to jromero
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2014-2 in the sec 2nd in the country
2015-3 in the sec 5th in the country
2016-2 in the sec 3rd in the country
2017-3 in the sec 7th in the country
2015 class:
5* Tyron Johnson WR
4* Tuehema OL
4* Okeke OL
3* George Brown OL
3* Isiah Washington DL
3* Banner Shipley TE
All gone.
The 2017 class looks awesome for the future. Probably underated. Hopefully next year's class comes together as well.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 7:28 am to SlowFlowPro
I am definitely NOT on the O-Train at this point and from the get go anyone paying attention during his hire called it a lazy uninspired move. It was.
With that said, Les Miles' development and coaching over the last 4 years set this program back further than many people realized. People seem to be forgetting how many times we were pummeled the last few years.
Coach O isn't a good coach. It just so happens he wanted a position coaching a program trending downward and the people in power were too stupid to realize it.
When you combine the incompetence of O, the ignorance of the state of the program and the stupidity of the AD, the Miss St result is what you get.
With that said, Les Miles' development and coaching over the last 4 years set this program back further than many people realized. People seem to be forgetting how many times we were pummeled the last few years.
Coach O isn't a good coach. It just so happens he wanted a position coaching a program trending downward and the people in power were too stupid to realize it.
When you combine the incompetence of O, the ignorance of the state of the program and the stupidity of the AD, the Miss St result is what you get.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 7:29 am
Posted on 9/20/17 at 7:38 am to crazy4lsu
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Unfortunately we have to compare everything to Miles. It's alarming how everything is Miles's fault, from the recruiting to the attrition
what's kind of ironic is that these same people flipped out when people would claim Miles's early success was due to Saban/Fisher's talent
now that very same group is defending O by saying our roster/talent issues are Miles' fault
Posted on 9/20/17 at 7:39 am to SlowFlowPro
Miles was the coach right before Ogeron is it that difficult to understand why he's compared to Miles?
Posted on 9/20/17 at 7:42 am to Scoob
quote:
and Miles was quite likely the best available option at that point.
wrong
it's still amazing to think of what he could have done with JR/Bowe/Davis/Green/JV/etc in 05-06
quote:
Miles was crucified for the Tennessee game, right down to the criticism of his Madonna earphones. Do you not remember that? I do.
his Madonna headset was used at the ASU opener, not the UTenn game
UTenn was when he emphatically tried to call a timeout after we created a turnover
Posted on 9/20/17 at 7:49 am to Damone
this quote in that playbook about sums it up
that was the difference in Miles and Saban ("the process"). Miles was happy for winning titles to be a sometimes thing, but he was more concerned about avoiding the bottom. Saban demands to be put in that position to have a great shot to win titles every year, and that's his only focus.
O, sadly, doesn't seem to have any idea how to do either. Nothing he has ever shown as a HC displayed an ability to form a plan/identity that players could even work towards to be a winning team, let alone a plan to work around to win titles. players cannot do the right thing all the time, and that's how he ultimately creates a losing atmosphere.
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Winning is not a sometime thing; it's an all the time thing. You don't win once in a while; you don't do things right once in a while; you do them right all the time. Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.
that was the difference in Miles and Saban ("the process"). Miles was happy for winning titles to be a sometimes thing, but he was more concerned about avoiding the bottom. Saban demands to be put in that position to have a great shot to win titles every year, and that's his only focus.
O, sadly, doesn't seem to have any idea how to do either. Nothing he has ever shown as a HC displayed an ability to form a plan/identity that players could even work towards to be a winning team, let alone a plan to work around to win titles. players cannot do the right thing all the time, and that's how he ultimately creates a losing atmosphere.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 7:52 am to Madking
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Miles was the coach right before Ogeron is it that difficult to understand why he's compared to Miles?
it's how they're compared. i think the point went way over your head
if Miles won with Saban's talent, then O is losing with Miles' talent. look i've been anti-Les since that UTenn game in 2005, but i'm always fair to Les. taking away credit for Miles early in his tenure AND blaming him for O's failures is not fair.
however, i will make a point, again. if this team is a rebuild, then O is incomprehensible
i'd love to hear an O supporter explain how O was the right coach to hire for a program/team rebuild
Posted on 9/20/17 at 8:04 am to SlowFlowPro
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's still amazing to think of what he could have done with JR/Bowe/Davis/Green/JV/etc in 05-06
I love Petrino as a coach and him with that 05-07 talent is scary to think about. But at the end of the day would he have won more? It's not like he hasn't doinked games (06 vs Rutgers last year vs UH and UK). At the end of the day Miles was 34-6 with 3 top 5 finishes a NC, 2 BCS bowl wins and 3 bowl blowouts. How much better would someone other than Saban have done? I know most will say 2006 could have won it all and it was a loaded team but the schedule was brutal and we would have had to play Florida, who was also loaded again on top of the 4 tough road games we had. Saban is the only one I think wins that.
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