re: LSU fans regarding QB situation

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Just because they’re insufferable doesn’t mean they’re wrong. Look how after a terrible start Freeman is now winning and recruiting at or above Kelly’s level. And to that point, Kelly actually recruited very well at ND and grossly overstated their talent issues to cover up his in-game coaching blunders and bad coordinator hires.

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I dunno man….
I’m taking this resume and the quick turnaround with limited roster and talent…..over this skewed and subjective opinion.
Championships
2 NCAA Division II (2002–2003)
3 MIFC (1992, 1997–1998)
3 GLIAC (2001–2003)
1 MAC (2006)
2 Big East (2008–2009)
1 SEC Western Division (2022)
Awards
2× AFCA Division II Coach of the Year (2002–2003)
2× AP College Football Coach of the Year (2012, 2018)
Eddie Robinson Coach of the Year (2012)
3× Home Depot Coach of the Year Award (2009, 2012, 2018)
SN Coach of the Year (2012)
Walter Camp Coach of the Year (2012)
Bobby Dodd Coach of the Year Award (2018)
GLIAC Coach of the Year (2001)
3× Big East Coach of the Year (2007–2009)
ACC Coach of the Year (2020)

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He quit after the Natty


Wrong! He quit after Woodward hired his DC to wreck the team/Orgeron.
How does a Coach/DC (Pelini), who coached a team to a National Championship, forget how to Coach.
I've been watching sports for 60 years and I have never seen a Coach with a good reputation, put such a disorganized "team" on the field as our 20 defense.

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Pelini didn't forget how to coach, he followed chain of command.

When Aranda left, Orgeron made a big point about changing the defensive scheme, and being more hands-on.

It was midseason in 2020 that Pelini was feuding with Orgeron in the press; Pelini said we didn't have the players to run the scheme he was being forced to put in. Orgeron responded that it didn't matter what the defensive fronts were, the back end should be able to stand up.

When I read those exchanges, it seemed clear to me that Pelini had tried to reason with O and change up the scheme, to fit the personnel we had. And that O had refused... and now Pelini was being roasted publicly because of the defensive failings.
Pelini sounded like he was trying to clear up whose idea and defense it was, and that it wasn't his.

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Wrong! He quit after Woodward hired his DC to wreck the team/Orgeron.

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I could care less about Brennan OR Orgeron. I'm still not 100% in favor of JD5 starting and playing the entire games even when he's clearly struggling to produce.

Also, to be clear, I feel that JD5 was promised the starting QB spot BEFORE coming here. Let's not pretend to be naive enough to think that a guy that had started ALL THREE YEARS of his college career and was a freshman phenom was transferring to ANY school to "compete" for a starting spot.

He stated in the interview that he wanted to play for a big school and to be coached by someone like BK to improve his draft stock. Therefore, he already felt as he was draftable, he just wanted the chance to "improve" his stock. Had Brandon Aiyuk still been at Az. St., JD5 probably finishes his college career there.

So whether Brennan was overweight or not, or whether Nuss was a turnover machine or not, JD5 was ALWAYS going to be the starter. Anyone thinking otherwise is quite naive.

For any fan wondering why JD5 is our starter or wondering why he garnered almost all playing time even when he struggled mightily (Auburn, Arkansas, TAMU), just use common sense. No, we are not coaches and don't watch practices. However, we watch enough football and have enough common sense to use deductive reasoning. BK wanted an experienced QB1 and JD5 was too good to pass up. Problem is, BK underestimated how conservative JD5 would play, trying to remedy his problem from last season with 10 TD's and 10 INT's.

I bet Denbrock has been pulling his hair out! LOL There have been so many plays called and the WR's have had separation and JD5 held the ball, even took sacks. As a player, you're not going to call a perfect game but the offense has to produce on the play-calls that are executed to perfection and hit the explosive plays. Many fans don't even watch the film breakdowns to see just how well a lot of plays have been called and executed, with the exception of JD5 seeing the open man OR attempting the pass. All the fans are constantly saying Denbrock sucks, yea ok. He's not top-tier but he has called some great plays that have been wide open only for JD5 to play as if he's shell-shocked.

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How’s about everyone just trust the guy they are paying to make these decisions. Is that too much of a challenge?

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Why should we?

Do you think he has an advantage just because he sees them at practice and in scrimmages? You think just watching every move these guys make on tape is beneficial? Do you think he gets to talk with them every day?

And some of us here watch the game replay over and over. We have access to all the stats, recruiting ratings and know high school coaches who coached them.

Hmmmmmmmm ????????

It may have appeared that Georgia was not pressuring, but that’s not what I saw. I saw pressure coming numerous times, but Nuss was getting the ball out so fast that the pressure wouldn’t get to him. A QB that releases the ball fast always makes offensive lines look better and typically cause defenses to bring less pressure. Great running QBs also have that affect, but a great running QB will get pressure eventually if he doesn’t release the ball. JD would sometimes hold the ball too long which resulted in the pressure getting to him. I give Nuss a lot of credit for making it appear that Georgia wasn’t putting on as much pressure.

Wasn’t Georgia’s AA on the bench?

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ESPN lists Daniels in their 2023 Heisman Contenders article

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Good for him. It doesn't mean anything really for anyone. Plenty of players have been on that "next year" list and amounted to very little.

Daniels is a great talent, and was the right QB for this season given the circumstances (weak OL, uncertainty at RB) and played both extremely well and extremely poorly (JJ's bad moments bad). It is irrelevant as to whether he has truly progressed his passing game from his Freshman year. Stats would say it hasn't.

He had more yards/attempt, yards, passing TDs and less INTs as a passer his freshman year with significantly less talent around him. This also wasn't a case of smaller sample size. He did these in 12-13 games both seasons.

If you watch him play, he's been heavily successful in one read/quick throw situations. That is an extremely useful part of the passing game, and he was excellent at those, but mid-range to deep plays, or needing to go to second reads after 40+ games of experience was downright bad much of the time.

Yes, he added to the running game, but also took away aspects of it. If I am a top tier running back, why would I ever want to play with a QB like Daniels? He runs more than me, he keeps the ball on zone read way too much, and his lack of vertical passing/challenging the defense in the air allows them to play closer to the line.

All of these things matter, because they allow for Daniels to pile up numbers in both phases but limit the offense significantly for others.

I think most just accept that after 4 years of him playing, he's not going to make a big jump with one more season. He is who he is at this point. Burrow had little game experience before his 2018 season. Mett was the same in 2012 before making his big jump.

Daniels is on a similar trajectory to JJ in some ways. Think of JJ's first 2 years and Daniels first 2. Came in as Freshmen with a ton of potential. Pretty good start in the first 2 years. Fell off a cliff 3rd year. Difference is JJ lost much of his senior year for the fight and still wasn't very good. You think if we kept JJ one more year, he was going to be much better?

Now, will Daniels help LSU win some games next year? Yes. Is he going to win them a title? Likely not as there will be some more rebuilding next year and games will be tougher next year. Auburn and UF will be better, Bama likely better, along with other teams. Hell, FSU is likely better.

What I think most are thinking is that it is better to get the younger guys experience and build for a shot next year plus a more realistic shot in 2024. If we let Daniels run the offense again next year, and neither Nuss or Walker gets real significant experience, you are likely losing one and wasting experience and development for the other.

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What I think most are thinking is that it is better to get the younger guys experience and build for a shot next year plus a more realistic shot in 2024. If we let Daniels run the offense again next year, and neither Nuss or Walker gets real significant experience, you are likely losing one and wasting experience and development for the other

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I guarantee you that if Kelly plays younger guys at QB and applies that same logic to other positions, and we lose several games people will all over him.

Kelly is going to play to win. He’s not playing to win next year. That isn’t going to happen.

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Bama likely better,

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You mean the same Bama who will have a new QB that has little to no experience? Because their QB who won the Heisman, the SEC and played for the NC in his first year as a starter and had all of 22 pass attempts before that year is going pro?

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If we let Daniels run the offense again next year, and neither Nuss or Walker gets real significant experience, you are likely losing one and wasting experience and development for the other.

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This is grossly overrated. The coaches will and should play the QB that gives them the best chance to win in 2023.

The beauty of the back up QB is you can project whatever you want to him. It never occurs to people that because one player struggles or is not great that the alternative may be worse. The narrative that coaches are just stubborn and going with “their guy”or promised some player he’s the starter and their fore will never make a change even if it hurts the team is just nonsense. The coaches are the ones that have the most to lose or gain by the teams success. That doesn’t mean they will always be right, but they will make the choice that they think will best help the team win based on the information they have which is a lot more than that the fans.