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re: LSU fan was assaulted...sorry for the bad info.

Posted on 9/27/11 at 12:40 am to
Posted by NoGeaux
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
5539 posts
Posted on 9/27/11 at 12:40 am to
quote:

3 low IQ'd individuals (key word here) did this.


There are many things I take issue with in your post but this most of all.

To begin I wasn't there and did not witness the attack, thus I do not posses first hand eye witness accounts.

However, if published reports in the Charleston Mail and others are accurate this was not simply a 3 person deal. The attack took place in a WVU parking lot.

WVU is responsible for security in the lot. Where were campus police? Where were Morgantown cops? Where were State police? Too busy directing traffic?

The attack took place if reports are accurate, as folks were leaving the game. Yet no one, seeing this attack, jumped in to help the victims? No one called the police, no one ran to rent a cops directing traffic to ask for help? No one. No sir, not 3 low IQ folks, ANYONE and EVERYONE who witnessed it and did nothing is also culpable.

Also if reports are to be believed how did the ambulance get there (before any security or police) to assist the victims of the attack who still had not seen nor talked to any security or police? How is that possible? What were they doing? Is it so routine at WVU football games that ambulances are required in parking lots that the cops don't even bother to check on what is going on?

Lastly you state that "this could very well have happened anywhere" WOW what a crock! If your point is that every university has drunk fans looking for a fight, sure this is true.

What is not true and I just beg you to find it somewhere that a pregnant women is attacked at a football game in a parking lot while sitting in traffic in full view of others and NO one, no cop, no bystander, no good samaritan offers assistance or calls or runs for help. No one. And the victims never received any protection from WVU, from the campus police, from the Morgantown police, State mounties no one.

It's one thing to defend your state and school but please don't come here with your head buried so far in the sand you refuse to see what happened here.

This is not simply the action of few idiots, and if you and WVU and campus police refuse to see the total and complete breakdown of security not only will it be a tragic story for the victims but also a missed opportunity to review security procedures to prevent this from happening again.
Posted by MississippiLSUfan
Brookhaven
Member since Oct 2005
12499 posts
Posted on 9/27/11 at 12:48 am to
quote:


There are many things I take issue with in your post but this most of all.

To begin I wasn't there and did not witness the attack, thus I do not posses first hand eye witness accounts.

However, if published reports in the Charleston Mail and others are accurate this was not simply a 3 person deal. The attack took place in a WVU parking lot.

WVU is responsible for security in the lot. Where were campus police? Where were Morgantown cops? Where were State police? Too busy directing traffic?

The attack took place if reports are accurate, as folks were leaving the game. Yet no one, seeing this attack, jumped in to help the victims? No one called the police, no one ran to rent a cops directing traffic to ask for help? No one. No sir, not 3 low IQ folks, ANYONE and EVERYONE who witnessed it and did nothing is also culpable.

Also if reports are to be believed how did the ambulance get there (before any security or police) to assist the victims of the attack who still had not seen nor talked to any security or police? How is that possible? What were they doing? Is it so routine at WVU football games that ambulances are required in parking lots that the cops don't even bother to check on what is going on?

Lastly you state that "this could very well have happened anywhere" WOW what a crock! If your point is that every university has drunk fans looking for a fight, sure this is true.

What is not true and I just beg you to find it somewhere that a pregnant women is attacked at a football game in a parking lot while sitting in traffic in full view of others and NO one, no cop, no bystander, no good samaritan offers assistance or calls or runs for help. No one. And the victims never received any protection from WVU, from the campus police, from the Morgantown police, State mounties no one.

It's one thing to defend your state and school but please don't come here with your head buried so far in the sand you refuse to see what happened here.

This is not simply the action of few idiots, and if you and WVU and campus police refuse to see the total and complete breakdown of security not only will it be a tragic story for the victims but also a missed opportunity to review security procedures to prevent this from happening again.


WOW! Agree with every word...
Posted by wvubrandon
Fairmont, WV
Member since Mar 2011
508 posts
Posted on 9/27/11 at 1:18 am to
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What is not true and I just beg you to find it somewhere that a pregnant women is attacked at a football game in a parking lot while sitting in traffic in full view of others and NO one, no cop, no bystander, no good samaritan offers assistance or calls or runs for help. No one. And the victims never received any protection from WVU, from the campus police, from the Morgantown police, State mounties no one.


I absolutely agree with what you are saying, but I parked in the Purple Lot earlier this year for the Marshall game. It holds at maximum 25-30 vehicles, is a good walk from the stadium, and is not very well lit. If the people who were attacked stayed until the end of the game, which most LSU fans did, there is a very real possibility that while exiting the purple lot there were no cars in the close vicinity. When we left the Marshall game it was dark and there wasn't a car within 100 feet of us the entire time coming down the driveway from the lot. You can see the street here coming down from the small lot on the right.



You can say a lot of things about West Virginians, but I honestly know that no one would just sit there and watch a man and his pregnant wife be assaulted. It is much more likely that there was no one in the immediate area when the situation started and thus the delayed response.

Hoping we can get some more information soon so the truth can be known and I have been praying for the family.
Posted by FanInLA
Member since May 2008
4966 posts
Posted on 9/27/11 at 7:54 am to
quote:

I absolutely agree with what you are saying, but I parked in the Purple Lot earlier this year for the Marshall game. It holds at maximum 25-30 vehicles, is a good walk from the stadium, and is not very well lit. If the people who were attacked stayed until the end of the game, which most LSU fans did, there is a very real possibility that while exiting the purple lot there were no cars in the close vicinity. When we left the Marshall game it was dark and there wasn't a car within 100 feet of us the entire time coming down the driveway from the lot. You can see the street here coming down from the small lot on the right.


If this is true - 1) No lighting 2) no security
= BIG lawsuit.
Posted by TheWiz
Third World, LA
Member since Aug 2007
11683 posts
Posted on 9/27/11 at 8:21 am to
It's finally getting a little coverage. Just saw it on WWL in NOLA.
Posted by Jon1798
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
730 posts
Posted on 9/27/11 at 8:36 am to
quote:

there is a very real possibility that while exiting the purple lot there were no cars in the close vicinity.


I'm not so ready to just throw blame on everyone here, but reports are that they were stopped in traffic and that the wife was begging for someone to help. There were definitely people there that didn't rush to help. But that's society today, we hope that someone would help, we hope that we would step up, but not everyone would. I'm sure there are people that hate themselves today.
Posted by LSU2WIN
God's country
Member since Feb 2006
296 posts
Posted on 9/27/11 at 9:00 am to
quote:

WVU did wrong for not providing a safe environment for its patrons whom they make millions of dollars off of. Also they sell alcoholic beverages at their events and have a history of providing an unsafe environment for their events. They are definitely wrong.

Nanny state
Posted by TigerCorp
Member since Jun 2009
1058 posts
Posted on 9/27/11 at 12:17 pm to
Marcus was released from hospital today.

Doing as well as can be expected given injuries.
Posted by SpicyStacy
stout's fave
Member since Aug 2010
13343 posts
Posted on 9/27/11 at 12:29 pm to
Happy to hear he is doing okay and gets to go home!

I saw it on the 12:00 news earlier, Im glad its finally getting some coverage!
Posted by MississippiLSUfan
Brookhaven
Member since Oct 2005
12499 posts
Posted on 9/27/11 at 12:37 pm to
Thanks man. Great news! Please pass along our well wishes.
Posted by WVUMaster
Virginia
Member since Sep 2011
9 posts
Posted on 9/27/11 at 12:49 pm to
As a WVU fan and alumni let me say that I am appalled by this action. This should never happen to anyone at any point for any reason, especially not a guest of the university.

I do have some insight to the area in which this took place. I used to live near there, and I worked in the building when I was a GRA. The building's parking lot is essentially the Purple Lot.

1) This area is not a great place to put a visiting fan's parking lot. There are no police at the intersection directing traffic, this is most likely why traffic was backed up as bad as it was and also why there were no police at the scene. WVU should absolutely rethink this location for visiting fans.

2) The road that this happened on leads up to the backside of two hospitals. This is also most likely why the ambulance was there and probably gone before police could even show up. Where this took place is honestly probably 200 yards away from the two hospitals. The hospital that they were originally taken to is probably 1/2 mile away across the street. Not sure why they were not taken to Ruby Memorial (one of the hospitals up the hill) which is a great Trauma center. Ruby Memorial has two helicopter pads and is where they fly in all trauma in the area.

3) There may not have been many fans around in general. That road leads up to the hospitals and there is nothing else on that road. If they were in the back of traffic then that might be why nobody came immediately to help. Once Hannah started screaming then I am sure the got others attention. Also, people may have come pretty quickly to help. It does not take long for this kind of damage to happen if it was 3 vs 1. One or two kicks and that damage could be done. (Just disgusting that this would happen)

4) That lot is for visiting fans, there were probably more LSU fans around than WVU fans in this area. This would also be the place to go if anyone were looking for trouble. Once again, we don't even know how close other fans were and how long it took them to help. Fans did help and that is the important part, now those same fans need to step forward an help police.

I just thought I would offer some insight on the apparent location that this happened.

My heart goes out to the family and friends of all involved. Reports show that these assailants were throwing rocks at other vehicles also. As horrible as this is it might be the case that they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. It is NOT their fault at all for being there, but it seems like this could have happened regardless if they were WVU fans or LSU fans.

I should also note that (I am sure most of you know) a lot of people show up to tailgate at football games that are not fans at all. People who live in the area or near will show up and take part of the generosity of the tailgaters. Tailgaters give away food, beer, and a good time. People in the area know this and show up. So there is a possibility that the people responsible for this were not a fan of either WVU or LSU.

I hope they catch these people involved in this and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.

If anyone knows of any collection being taken up on behalf of the injured parties then please post it here, I would love to donate and help the family.

I understand the anger of anyone here and trust me, I am angrier than anyone here. As a West Virginia native, WVU fan and alumni this report makes me sick to my stomach. Words cannot express my apologies to you all, especially the parties involved.
This post was edited on 9/27/11 at 12:52 pm
Posted by WVUMaster
Virginia
Member since Sep 2011
9 posts
Posted on 9/27/11 at 1:10 pm to
West Virginia University Expresses Concern

If anyone was wondering if the university is actively taking a part in the investigation.

Posted by SnogsDontPay4Pizza
Member since Sep 2011
171 posts
Posted on 9/27/11 at 2:40 pm to
I just wish this would stop being a LSU fans v WVU fans thing. By the mother-in-laws own admission it was random. You'll get no argument from me that it definitely involves WVU in some manner with the lack of security and such, but I don't like the idea of us vs them, because it's not the case.
Posted by TigerCorp
Member since Jun 2009
1058 posts
Posted on 9/27/11 at 3:23 pm to
PerfectDays....you have no idea what u r talking about and I'll leave it at that.

This was an assault...not a fight.
Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
71176 posts
Posted on 9/27/11 at 3:28 pm to
quote:

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Posted by PerfectDays
Looks like he spouted off too much and got his arse kicked pretty good. No harm no foul in a fight. Sound familiar folks? Can,t have it both ways.


Cool, we haven't had a real stupid post in a few pages. thanks!
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124125 posts
Posted on 9/27/11 at 3:53 pm to
quote:

Looks like he spouted off too much and got his arse kicked pretty good. No harm no foul in a fight. Sound familiar folks? Can,t have it both ways.
Look, most of us get the nature of an illusory alterusername, contrarian, I'll-post-some-BS-to-anomynously-piss-people-off internet attitude you or others choose bring to the site. We get your need to say here what you'd never say in the real world. Likewise, most of us get the smallness internet anonymity can bring out in a poster.

But, even given that, WTF dude? Where in the world are you coming from in this case? Seriously. In your pathetically fatuous attempt to be controversial, have you even a hint of a clue as to what you're actually talking about?

Here's a suggestion: Find the edit button and use it. Then think before you post gibberish in the future.
Posted by LSULANE
Earth
Member since May 2007
4170 posts
Posted on 9/27/11 at 4:23 pm to
I was in the purple lot. These people must have left just before us because the young guy was covered in blood sitting on the sidewalk when we left. I thought he fell down a hill or something and planted his face in the concrete. It was kinda dark in the lot and the security people had left.
The traffic was stand still in both directions and the area was lit up with a gas station right there. Someone, let's make that alot of people had to have been watching all this. They had some shady characters in the gas station. Sorry to hear this hope the perps aren't WVA people because we had a stellar time with their fans. I think everyone in the lot, maybe 15 cars total were LSU.
Posted by chitownbishop
Chicago
Member since Sep 2011
4 posts
Posted on 9/27/11 at 5:53 pm to
As someone from Big Ten country who went to the game, I'm sorry to hear about this incident. I was an impartial visitor to Morgantown just wanting to see an exciting game other than the typical Northwestern/Illini/ND action Big Ten around here. Hope this doesn't skew my post, but I had a great time in Morgantown. The atmosphere was exciting like the few SEC games I've attended. My qualifications are that I know a couple of LSU fans and some WVU fans. They are both good groups of folks, but sometimes I need an interpreter to understand the LSU guys. I guess I really don't have a dog in this fight other than offer some objective observations about common sense and generalizations.

After reading the majority of the posts in this thread very few people on this board have taken time to think about what they post. To fault an entire state, city, university or fan-base because of some derelicts is simply irresponsible. I would have thought anyone affiliated with areas like Baton Rouge and New Orleans, La. would understand this after being sh*t on by the rest of our country for so many decades. Think about it for a second.

Would it be responsible for me to call all Saints fans, LSU fans or people from Louisiana dirtbags because some of them are murderers and shoot at cops? Would it be responsible for me to call the NOPD slimeball crooks because some of them are actually slimeball crooks? Would is be responsible to call all White Sox fans murderous thugs because some gang banger wearing a Sox cap killed a Cubs fan outside of Wrigley Field? Would it be responsible of me to call all the fans in Dixie racists pricks because I could hear many white guys yelling "kill that n*gger" when I visited several SEC games in the 21st century? We're talking modern times here kids, not the 60's. Basically, I assume many of you might actually get my point.

I can say that I have had some great times visiting cities, towns and rural areas all around this great country. From the excellent white water and mountain biking in West Virginia to the excellent food, music and debauchery in Nawlins. I have to admit that I find it comical that anyone from the South would call anyone from Appalachia a redneck or inbred. What's next, us Chicagoans calling New Yorkers uppity liberal urban socialites?

By the way, to the "lady" that types frick all the time and said she was sexually frustrated; may I advise the rabbit.

My God bless you all and the United States of America. Good luck to your football team, they are fun to watch.
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
30445 posts
Posted on 9/27/11 at 6:01 pm to
God bless you too, Mr. Bishop.
Posted by MississippiLSUfan
Brookhaven
Member since Oct 2005
12499 posts
Posted on 9/27/11 at 6:10 pm to
quote:

By the way, to the "lady" that types frick all the time and said she was sexually frustrated; may I advise the rabbit.


Who the frick did this?
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