re: LSU coach Ed Orgeron to receive big raise in new contract extension, records show

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We all get your argument,

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You clearly don't.

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and are telling you you can set the only specific criteria YOU want to on judging a season, especially when it leaves out major factors most people consider when talking about the outcome of a season.

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Yea, you definitely aren't getting it. We're done here.

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You clearly don't.

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I guess this is you playing the "I'm stupid" game and trying to backpedal at this point.

Let me repeat this for you one more time. Most people consider MAJOR things like final ranking and bowl game in determining the outcome of a season. The reason why is because they are good gauges to judge yourself nationally against other teams. Finishing #6/#7 is different than #16/#17 just like #16/#17 is different than finishing unranked. Or playing in the Texas Bowl vs. Fiesta Bowl.

Therefore, you leaving them out, doesnt mean you're correct in stating "10-3 = 10-3 is the same season; Cause we didn't win the division in either year baw!"

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I think this contract extension reflects the fact that O is not that marketable at other CFB programs. LSU is getting a lot of value here. It's okay to admit that Alleva got one right here. I do want an upgrade at the AD position though regardless of the Coach O deal.

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That's what some don't get. Comparatively it's a very modest contract. He's not going anywhere for another couple years so when/if there is a buy out it will be minimal at worst.

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There is absolutely no stipulation that a buyout must be for the entire value of the remaining contract.

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Not sure what you think this contract is, but the total value of the contract would be roughly $20M (5 years x $4M/year), so $10M is half that.

Current contract runs through end of 2021, they are trying to add on 2 more years and change his pay per year from $3.5M to $4M. It could be worth a little less than $20M if all they do is extend him to end of 2023, which instead of 60 months would be 57 months on the new pay rate.

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You could have given him more money and/or years without giving him additional job security (buyout)

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It pretty much never works this way. As the years/money increase, buyouts are usually relative to that.

I'm not saying I like what buyout have become, but that's just how it is these days.

Even with a $10M buyout starting 4/1/19, his buyout would be at best 10th largest in the conference.

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If my math is correct, with a raise to 5.5/year with 4 years left, that means $22MM is left on his contract if he played it out in its entirety. If his buyout is only $10M, then his buyout is less than half the money remaining on his contract. Orgeron doesn't have full value of his contract buyout.

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A) The raise is to $4MM/yr, so he got a $500k/yr raise, for 4 years, hence the 2yr/$4MM number.

B) His total value is $16MM if played out, but we bumped up the buyout to $10MM from $5.3MM. My argument is that was unnecessary.

Wtf would the buyout go up?? Someone explain. Pretty sure that’s not normal.

Nevermind

Even if fired after 2020 it would be roughly a 7.5 million dollar buyout. That’s reasonable especially considering you just got the Miles buyout off the books.

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It pretty much never works this way. As the years/money increase, buyouts are usually relative to that.

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I understand it's not common, but it's perfectly possible. Apparently Matt Luke and Joe Moorehead at Ole Miss and MSU have $0 buyouts.


ETA - I'm not going to lose sleep over it, but it just seems like an we're bidding against ourselves. It's difficult to consider it a value when it could/should have been had for less.