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re: LSU coach Ed Orgeron to receive big raise in new contract extension, records show

Posted on 3/18/19 at 1:55 pm to
Posted by earl keese
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Posted on 3/18/19 at 1:55 pm to
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Tell us how contracts work, Lester.


Jesus jumped up and down Mo! Don't encourage the guy.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 3/18/19 at 1:56 pm to
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So again, 12-2 = 12-2, but hey we won a national title and finished #1 with one of those. But, same thing in the end.


I already covered why that's not an equal comparison, but I bet you'll just ignore it for a second time.
Posted by Tiger1988
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Posted on 3/18/19 at 1:57 pm to
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
About right from this administrations plan to destroy our school’s athletic program.
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Posted on 3/18/19 at 1:57 pm to
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I already covered why that's not an equal comparison, but I bet you'll just ignore it for a second time.



You're running yourself in circles. Stop backpedaling and take a side. Either record = record no matter what or maybe, just maybe, each year is actually different from one another. 12-2 one year, could be a lot different of a final outcome than 12-2 in another (reality).
This post was edited on 3/18/19 at 1:58 pm
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 3/18/19 at 1:59 pm to
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You're running yourself in circles.


Not at all. I very clearly explained why that scenario doesn't apply, and you don't like it.

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s. Stop backpedaling and take a side


I haven't changed my argument at all. You're not very good at reading.

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Either record = record no matter what or maybe, just maybe, each year is actually different from one another.



Go back and read and see if you can figure it out. Maybe the third time will be the charm.
Posted by geauxtigers33
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2014
13735 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 2:00 pm to
People have to look past the 10 million dollar buyout. That is just if he is fired after 2019 which isn’t happening no matter how much anybody hates O.

I’m not a math whiz or a smart man in general but it looks like the buyout will go down to 7.5 million after 2020 season then 4 million every year after that under the current contract.

Those numbers aren’t that bad considering the only way he is getting fired after 2020 is if they go 6-6 or 7-5 the next two seasons.
Posted by VermilionTiger
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 3/18/19 at 2:00 pm to
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They absolutely do, and every year is different one to the next. This year's schedule is not next year's schedule. This year's outcomes for everyone can be viewed at differently than next year's outcomes.

The results on the field in 2018 resulted in a final ranking of #6/#7. The results on the field in 2015 resulted in a final ranking of #16/#17.

In 2018 we played an undefeated team in the Fiesta Bowl.
In 2015 we played a crap Texas Tech team with zero defense.

We got 5 home SEC games in 2015 because of a hurricane.
We did NOT get 5 home SEC games in 2018.

These are fairly noticeable differences to anyone who follows college football.


I follow College Football more than most on this site.

LSU had nearly the same strength of schedule in 15 as they did in 18. The only difference is that UCF propped the 18 schedule up.

That Texas Tech team would have beaten that UCF team
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Posted on 3/18/19 at 2:01 pm to
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Not at all. I very clearly explained why that scenario doesn't apply, and you don't like it.



Because your explanation lines up exactly with what I prescribed, that each year is different and the same record year over year results in different outcomes. Then you go full-retard by saying record = record regardless which completely contradicts yourself.

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I haven't changed my argument at all.
Yes, you have, you're just not intelligent enough to realize it.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 3/18/19 at 2:01 pm to
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Because your explanation lines up exactly with what I prescribed


The frick it does.

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Then you go full-retard by saying record = record regardless which completely contradicts yourself.


If you say so

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es, you have, you're just not intelligent enough to realize it.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 3/18/19 at 2:01 pm to
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No one expects you to be objective.

You saying we weren't actually the 6th/7th best team last year isn't objective either bud
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 3/18/19 at 2:02 pm to
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You saying we weren't actually the 6th/7th best team last year isn't objective either bud



We were ranked that, sure. But we lost to teams we finished ranked behind, so do you really think we were the 6th best team in the country?
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 3/18/19 at 2:03 pm to
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LSU had nearly the same strength of schedule in 15 as they did in 18. The only difference is that UCF propped the 18 schedule up.



Big differences in Texas Tech vs. UCF and 5 SEC home games vs. 4.

Imagine if we got Florida at home in 2018, could have made the difference in 11-2 and 10-3. You cannot ignore that.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 3/18/19 at 2:03 pm to
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Non objectively, LSU finished tied with Kentucky for 5th in conference.


5 sec teams finished in the top 12

6 in the top 16

Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 3/18/19 at 2:04 pm to
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Imagine if we got Florida at home in 2018


We lose like we did in '16?
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could have made the difference in 11-2 and 10-3. You cannot ignore that.



Can we do this for the Auburn game too? Or the bowl game? Or do you only do hypotheticals that add wins?
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 3/18/19 at 2:05 pm to
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The frick it does.



On one hand you state record = record regardless of year.

Then on another state, well but if you win something xyz it's different.

Then you claim 10-3 = 10-3 despite the fact the outcomes of each were quite different.

So again, which is it? You cant say record=record then just contradict yourself and say it doesnt unless you want to claim only 1 or 2 things change that. A season is judged beyond just SEC finish/national title. Rankings are a pretty good indication of where you stack up nationally. What bowl you get as well is a pretty solid indicator.
This post was edited on 3/18/19 at 2:07 pm
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
72333 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 2:06 pm to
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Can we do this for the Auburn game too? Or the bowl game? Or do you only do hypotheticals that add wins?



I'm making apples to apples here since that's apparently all you want to do. Is 5 SEC home games an advantage or not?
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 3/18/19 at 2:06 pm to
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On one hand you state record = record regardless of year.

Then on another state, well but if you win something xyz it's different.


If you're too stupid to see who that's not equivalent, that's on you. We are comparing years that we did not win our division. Stop trying to change the discussion.
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 3/18/19 at 2:06 pm to
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We were ranked that, sure. But we lost to teams we finished ranked behind, so do you really think we were the 6th best team in the country?


Lolol. going by that logic, any team that ever loses to teams ranked behind them should never be ranked higher than them regardless of what else happens.
Posted by lsu2006
BR
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Posted on 3/18/19 at 2:06 pm to
Welp... I guess we're done talking about the actual contract.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 3/18/19 at 2:07 pm to
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I'm making apples to apples here since that's apparently all you want to do. Is 5 SEC home games an advantage or not?


A slight one, sure. Not having Brandon Harris seems like an advantage too.
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