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re: LSU Baseball 9 Spring Scrimmages Hitting and Fielding Errors Stats Including Team Totals

Posted on 2/15/23 at 11:44 am to
Posted by 3rdPart Tiger
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Posted on 2/15/23 at 11:44 am to
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LSURussian


First baseball posts since '21.

Welcome back!
This post was edited on 2/15/23 at 11:48 am
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 2/15/23 at 11:44 am to
BABIP is almost useless with a 20 AB sample size
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 2/15/23 at 11:53 am to
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Anyway we can provide pitchers’ BABIP as well? Would love to see this for a few pitchers in particular.
I'd like to see that information, too.

But, to apply the BABIP formula to pitchers we'd have to know how many home runs and sac flies each pitcher gave up and I don't think those details are given in Scuba's box scores. Sorry.
Posted by tigerbrauf
Member since May 2021
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Posted on 2/15/23 at 12:04 pm to
Can you either enlarge the stats or convert sheet to a table? Certainly going to be cross-eyed soon
Posted by reauxl tigers
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Posted on 2/15/23 at 12:11 pm to
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35% k rate Lovely


Also 19% of hits are home runs so it’s possible we’ll be relying a lot on power this year.
This post was edited on 2/15/23 at 12:12 pm
Posted by CottonWasKing
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Posted on 2/15/23 at 12:17 pm to
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Batting averages, overall are not very good.



If the pitchers aren’t ahead of the hitters at this point in the year then your pitchers aren’t very good.
This post was edited on 2/15/23 at 12:18 pm
Posted by MikeTheTiger71
Member since Dec 2021
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Posted on 2/15/23 at 12:29 pm to
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BABIP is almost useless with a 20 AB sample size


I think more accurately it illuminates the fact that BA itself is useless with a 20 AB sample size.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
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Posted on 2/15/23 at 12:47 pm to
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I think more accurately it illuminates the fact that BA itself is useless with a 20 AB sample size.


I think they both probably provide about the same amount of usefulness. This is only two weeks worth of data throughout a regular season.
Posted by Adam4848
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Posted on 2/15/23 at 1:04 pm to
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LSURussian


Seriously, it's good to have you back.
Posted by emanresu
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Posted on 2/15/23 at 1:16 pm to
You should alternate the shading fill of the rows so it's easier to stay on the correct row, like

Posted by Ipissexcellence
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 2/15/23 at 1:20 pm to
Not really 2.4 per game since the tigers are batting the entire time. So realistically it’s 1.2 hr per game. Pitchers doing well facing these hitters. Once real games start Tigers will have at least 3.50 hrs per game.
Posted by MikeTheTiger71
Member since Dec 2021
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Posted on 2/15/23 at 1:23 pm to
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I think they both probably provide about the same amount of usefulness. This is only two weeks worth of data throughout a regular season.


I think it’s really a matter of perspective. If you think that BABIP tells us something inherent about a batter’s ability to find holes, I agree this is a useless sample. If you believe it’s more an indicator of randomness, then it illustrates the randomness you would expect in a small sample.
Posted by ProjectP2294
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Member since May 2007
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Posted on 2/15/23 at 1:27 pm to
According to FanGraphs, at the Major League level BABIP normalizes (reaches relevant sample size) at 820 balls in play for a hitter and 2000 balls in play for a pitcher.

A college player may never reach those numbers in their career, unless you take into account summer leagues.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
130891 posts
Posted on 2/15/23 at 1:41 pm to
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You should alternate the shading fill of the rows so it's easier to stay on the correct row,
Done. Thanks for the good idea.

ETA: Thanks, Adam. I enjoyed your positions recap thread again this year.
This post was edited on 2/15/23 at 1:58 pm
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 2/15/23 at 1:49 pm to
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You don’t think the additional detail he’s providing is useful? The detail on XBHs and slugging is particularly valuable.
It’s not though.

ETA: and it would be easy to ask Bay to add anything we thought useful. Or maybe post it in a thread that already exists. It’s pretty redundant. At first, I thought he just didn’t see those threads. But this is the second time now. Maybe Russian doesn’t like Bay.
This post was edited on 2/15/23 at 1:53 pm
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
86733 posts
Posted on 2/15/23 at 1:54 pm to
What I’m really waiting for is tad’s game by game prediction.
Posted by MikeTheTiger71
Member since Dec 2021
3738 posts
Posted on 2/15/23 at 2:19 pm to
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ETA: and it would be easy to ask Bay to add anything we thought useful. Or maybe post it in a thread that already exists. It’s pretty redundant. At first, I thought he just didn’t see those threads. But this is the second time now. Maybe Russian doesn’t like Bay.



I am pretty sure Bay has been asked to add in slugging and he indicated it would be too much work for him to change up his spreadsheet. I see nothing wrong with someone else supplementing that information given that.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 2/15/23 at 2:24 pm to
He added XBH and HRs when someone asked.

The only two things Russian has is BABIP which is completely useless and slg% which Bay shows with the xbh/HR totals. Everything else is the same only presented in an odd order and a bad format.

It’s whatever. Just thought it was funny.
This post was edited on 2/15/23 at 2:27 pm
Posted by EulerRules
Member since Dec 2019
1453 posts
Posted on 2/15/23 at 3:08 pm to
Thanks, Project, for both of your comments. 820 balls in play (to reach a relevant statistical sample size) will likely require (conservatively) 1,000 plate appearances; and so, conservatively it will require 200 games minimum. So for most college players, the statistical sample will never reach a relevant size. For those that it does it will likely be in their fourth year of play.
You note it is essentially trying to quantify "luck". Well, I wish them luck with that. And luck is the ability to defy statistical probability. So again, I don't see its usefulness in analyzing a player's physical ability. I am truly confused about its supposed usefulness in the long run. I don't need BABIP to know Clayton Kershaw and Mike Trout are exceptional ballplayers.
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
29447 posts
Posted on 2/15/23 at 3:33 pm to
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I don't need BABIP to know Clayton Kershaw and Mike Trout are exceptional ballplayers.
It isn’t intended to tell you Mike Trout and Clayton Keyshawn are exceptional players, so congratulations. It’s a data point that can be used in analysis and reasoning. It sounds like you’re better off sticking with batting average and ERA.
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