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re: LSU Baseball 9 Spring Scrimmages Hitting and Fielding Errors Stats Including Team Totals
Posted on 2/15/23 at 11:44 am to LSURussian
Posted on 2/15/23 at 11:44 am to LSURussian
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LSURussian
First baseball posts since '21.
Welcome back!

This post was edited on 2/15/23 at 11:48 am
Posted on 2/15/23 at 11:44 am to MikeTheTiger71
BABIP is almost useless with a 20 AB sample size
Posted on 2/15/23 at 11:53 am to reauxl tigers
quote:I'd like to see that information, too.
Anyway we can provide pitchers’ BABIP as well? Would love to see this for a few pitchers in particular.
But, to apply the BABIP formula to pitchers we'd have to know how many home runs and sac flies each pitcher gave up and I don't think those details are given in Scuba's box scores. Sorry.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 12:04 pm to LSURussian
Can you either enlarge the stats or convert sheet to a table? Certainly going to be cross-eyed soon
Posted on 2/15/23 at 12:11 pm to Tigers0891
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35% k rate Lovely
Also 19% of hits are home runs so it’s possible we’ll be relying a lot on power this year.
This post was edited on 2/15/23 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 2/15/23 at 12:17 pm to gemlsu
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Batting averages, overall are not very good.
If the pitchers aren’t ahead of the hitters at this point in the year then your pitchers aren’t very good.
This post was edited on 2/15/23 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 2/15/23 at 12:29 pm to Lester Earl
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BABIP is almost useless with a 20 AB sample size
I think more accurately it illuminates the fact that BA itself is useless with a 20 AB sample size.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 12:47 pm to MikeTheTiger71
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I think more accurately it illuminates the fact that BA itself is useless with a 20 AB sample size.
I think they both probably provide about the same amount of usefulness. This is only two weeks worth of data throughout a regular season.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 1:04 pm to LSURussian
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LSURussian
Seriously, it's good to have you back.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 1:16 pm to LSURussian
You should alternate the shading fill of the rows so it's easier to stay on the correct row, like

Posted on 2/15/23 at 1:20 pm to lsufan0582
Not really 2.4 per game since the tigers are batting the entire time. So realistically it’s 1.2 hr per game. Pitchers doing well facing these hitters. Once real games start Tigers will have at least 3.50 hrs per game.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 1:23 pm to LSBoosie
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I think they both probably provide about the same amount of usefulness. This is only two weeks worth of data throughout a regular season.
I think it’s really a matter of perspective. If you think that BABIP tells us something inherent about a batter’s ability to find holes, I agree this is a useless sample. If you believe it’s more an indicator of randomness, then it illustrates the randomness you would expect in a small sample.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 1:27 pm to MikeTheTiger71
According to FanGraphs, at the Major League level BABIP normalizes (reaches relevant sample size) at 820 balls in play for a hitter and 2000 balls in play for a pitcher.
A college player may never reach those numbers in their career, unless you take into account summer leagues.
A college player may never reach those numbers in their career, unless you take into account summer leagues.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 1:41 pm to emanresu
quote:Done. Thanks for the good idea.
You should alternate the shading fill of the rows so it's easier to stay on the correct row,
ETA: Thanks, Adam. I enjoyed your positions recap thread again this year.
This post was edited on 2/15/23 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 2/15/23 at 1:49 pm to MikeTheTiger71
quote:It’s not though.
You don’t think the additional detail he’s providing is useful? The detail on XBHs and slugging is particularly valuable.

ETA: and it would be easy to ask Bay to add anything we thought useful. Or maybe post it in a thread that already exists. It’s pretty redundant. At first, I thought he just didn’t see those threads. But this is the second time now. Maybe Russian doesn’t like Bay.
This post was edited on 2/15/23 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 2/15/23 at 1:54 pm to ProjectP2294
What I’m really waiting for is tad’s game by game prediction.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 2:19 pm to ell_13
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ETA: and it would be easy to ask Bay to add anything we thought useful. Or maybe post it in a thread that already exists. It’s pretty redundant. At first, I thought he just didn’t see those threads. But this is the second time now. Maybe Russian doesn’t like Bay.
I am pretty sure Bay has been asked to add in slugging and he indicated it would be too much work for him to change up his spreadsheet. I see nothing wrong with someone else supplementing that information given that.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 2:24 pm to MikeTheTiger71
He added XBH and HRs when someone asked.
The only two things Russian has is BABIP which is completely useless and slg% which Bay shows with the xbh/HR totals. Everything else is the same only presented in an odd order and a bad format.
It’s whatever. Just thought it was funny.

The only two things Russian has is BABIP which is completely useless and slg% which Bay shows with the xbh/HR totals. Everything else is the same only presented in an odd order and a bad format.
It’s whatever. Just thought it was funny.
This post was edited on 2/15/23 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 2/15/23 at 3:08 pm to ProjectP2294
Thanks, Project, for both of your comments. 820 balls in play (to reach a relevant statistical sample size) will likely require (conservatively) 1,000 plate appearances; and so, conservatively it will require 200 games minimum. So for most college players, the statistical sample will never reach a relevant size. For those that it does it will likely be in their fourth year of play.
You note it is essentially trying to quantify "luck". Well, I wish them luck with that. And luck is the ability to defy statistical probability. So again, I don't see its usefulness in analyzing a player's physical ability. I am truly confused about its supposed usefulness in the long run. I don't need BABIP to know Clayton Kershaw and Mike Trout are exceptional ballplayers.
You note it is essentially trying to quantify "luck". Well, I wish them luck with that. And luck is the ability to defy statistical probability. So again, I don't see its usefulness in analyzing a player's physical ability. I am truly confused about its supposed usefulness in the long run. I don't need BABIP to know Clayton Kershaw and Mike Trout are exceptional ballplayers.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 3:33 pm to EulerRules
quote:It isn’t intended to tell you Mike Trout and Clayton Keyshawn are exceptional players, so congratulations. It’s a data point that can be used in analysis and reasoning. It sounds like you’re better off sticking with batting average and ERA.
I don't need BABIP to know Clayton Kershaw and Mike Trout are exceptional ballplayers.
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