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re: LSU A&M talent gap
Posted on 4/30/20 at 9:33 am to Gaspergou202
Posted on 4/30/20 at 9:33 am to Gaspergou202
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When Saban’s agent was trying to move him from Michigan State to LSU, Nick asked him why he should go to BR. His agent’s answer was talent, National Championship caliber talent. All he had to do was keep the majority home in the state. He came, he kept them home, and he won a Natty.
He had to see the glimmer of hope that happened when Dinardo kept a few of the top recruits home. The 1999 team had plenty of talent, the record didn't show it as the coaching staff imploded. Dinardo created a spark but it was Saban that ignited the fire.
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Posted on 4/30/20 at 9:44 am to rrboy
I mean that’s over 10 years though... many coaches will make more than that and also prices will go up over time a little more
Posted on 4/30/20 at 9:45 am to bulletprooftiger
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Isn't this a false narrative considering that Sumlin recruited last years #1 draft pick, Kyler Murray, and Jimbo chased him away?
Kyler transferred in December 2015. Jimbo wasn't hired until late 2017.
Posted on 4/30/20 at 10:07 am to KC Tiger
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At least we weren't paying our coach 75 million dollars (GUARANTEED money) to endure those beatings.
I really don't understand why people get so up in arms about the salary
A coach's worth in terms of salary is determined by the market when he is hired not by whether he wins a championship in year 2. Jimbo Fisher had a track record that includes a National Title when he was hired, that will command top dollar. When LSU hired O he had an awful 3 years at OM and 2 decent interim jobs, so he wasn't as in demand and hence got less. NOW he would command a lot more on the open market. Whether Jimbo is "worth it" for A&M will be determined in the next few years.
This post was edited on 4/30/20 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 4/30/20 at 10:27 am to H-Town Tiger
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coaches worth in terms of salary is determined by the market when he is hired not by whether he wins a championship in year 2.
Because people have much higher expectations at 7.5 million compared to 4 million. His W-L record at A&M is not elite for the pay he has been given.
Posted on 4/30/20 at 10:46 am to brewhan davey
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Article is blocked behind a paywall.
Put a period after .com. Doesn’t work every time but it worked here.
https://www.houstonchronicle.com./texas-sports-nation/college/article/Talent-disparity-between-LSU-A-M-on-full-display-15232774.php?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=HC_DailyHeadlines&utm_term=news&utm_content=headlines
Posted on 4/30/20 at 11:04 am to JohnnyU
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It’s a propaganda piece about how poor Jimbo was left with no talent
Do you disagree? It seems to be obviously true.
Posted on 4/30/20 at 11:16 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Because people have much higher expectations at 7.5 million compared to 4 million. His W-L record at A&M is not elite for the pay he has been given.
That's fair and i appreciate the answer. However people were bitching about the salary not being "worth it" before he coached game 1. And its only been 2 years. They expect to get elite results over the life of the contract, expecting it every single year from day one is not realistic.
Also last year given the schedule they had last year, expecting elite results was unrealistic. Would have been nice for have been a little more competitive, like they were against UGA, in a couple more of those games (after 2018 LSU was not going to be competitive however). This year though, he does need to greatly improve, 10-2 is not unfair given the 2020 schedule.
Posted on 4/30/20 at 11:29 am to Gaspergou202
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A&M has a problem.
It is a little baffling to me that they haven't even competed for a natty in the past 30 years. Good school, recruiting hotbed, lots of money to burn...and all they have to show for it is scattered conf titles and no so much as a whiff in the SECW.
This post was edited on 4/30/20 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 4/30/20 at 12:45 pm to denvertiger
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It is a little baffling to me that they haven't even competed for a natty in the past 30 years. Good school, recruiting hotbed, lots of money to burn...and all they to show for it is scattered conf titles and no so much as a whiff in the SECW.
in 92 they were unbeaten and maybe an Antonio Langham pick 6 away from playing Miami. I also wonder if they stayed in the BigXII do they go undefeated and play Bama in the BCS CG? Their only loses were Florida and LSU. Even in the SEC if they play some one like Tennessee instead of Florida they win the SEC West at least and if they beat UGA play ND.
But overall l agree they have al the ingredients to be an elite program but haven't put it together. That's why they paid so much for Jimbo
Posted on 4/30/20 at 1:23 pm to rrboy
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It still amazes me at how many people wanted Jimbo for 75 million
It's more amazing that people didnt think Oregeron was a worthwhile coach until he had the most successful season in CFB history.
I guess what I am saying is Tigerdroppings doesn't know shite about coaching.
Jimbo has been there TWO years. AT some point this fan base will learn something about building a program, or at least waiting to write a coach off.
Posted on 4/30/20 at 1:55 pm to Lester Earl
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It's more amazing that people didnt think Oregeron was a worthwhile coach until he had the most successful season in CFB history.
define worthwhile coach? I was against the hire but my concern wasn't that he'd repeat Ole Miss but rather that a year like 2018 would be his ceiling. For me to believe he could win a title he had to prove it, which he did but 9-3, 10-2 is still a "worthwhile" coach, just not a championship caliber coach.
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guess what I am saying is Tigerdroppings doesn't know shite about coaching.
and you needed a season like 2019 to prove that?
The reality is NO ONE knows shite. There is no magic formula to follow that says this coach will be the one to build multiple titles. Saban before LSU had a resume a mile long, 6 years as a college HC with no losing seasons, interest from the NFL, time as a DC and DB coach in both college and NFL. Urban was never a coordinator, but had success at 2 G5 programs before going to Florida and then there's Dabo never a coordinator, promoted from interim at a program with potential but a history or underachieving. That said, a coach with a more proven track record will more often be better.
Kudos to you for believing in O from the get go i think a lot of the others would have been happy though if his ceiling was 9-3, 10-2 that was i think the cause of a lot of the argument.
This post was edited on 4/30/20 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 4/30/20 at 2:28 pm to geauxtigers33
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Could you imagine the outrage if LSU lost 50-7 to another SEC West school?
Yes I can. I was a Freshman in 1992.
Posted on 4/30/20 at 2:40 pm to terriblegreen
I am sitting at the LSU/A&M game last year, it's almost over and we're winning 50-7. The Aggie fan in front of me is waving his queer white hanky because they got a first down. It dawned at me at that point what their problem is. They are more interested in their lame traditions than winning. The gig-em crap, calling each other Rock, yell practice, yell leaders and the band playing the same songs over and over, etc... Just like blowing bubbles and yelling how many balls in a row are thrown at a baseball game are more important than winning. Until they realize that, they'll continue to be mediocre.
Posted on 4/30/20 at 2:48 pm to H-Town Tiger
The fact of the matter is it’s hard to turn a program around over night without a QB. And 2 years just isn’t enough time to really gain momentum.
There are programs like Florida & usc & Michigan that haven’t had elite QB play in a while, and have yet to return to the promise they once enjoyed.
A&M has had back time back top 10 classes. Is their QB in there? Idk. But having the talent there when they do find him will be a pain for LSU & the west. With the way the transfer portal is working it could happen overnight.
There are programs like Florida & usc & Michigan that haven’t had elite QB play in a while, and have yet to return to the promise they once enjoyed.
A&M has had back time back top 10 classes. Is their QB in there? Idk. But having the talent there when they do find him will be a pain for LSU & the west. With the way the transfer portal is working it could happen overnight.
Posted on 4/30/20 at 3:33 pm to bayou85
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he fact that someone feels the need to write this article is laughable.
It opens up at first then blocks.
If you open and then go to print, it'll show the whole article in the print preview.
thanks for this!
Posted on 4/30/20 at 3:44 pm to Alt26
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And their schedule, while still difficult, is favorable.
I don't think it is difficult. No non-conference opponent worth a damn. USCe and Vandy in the East.
Get ready to here about how Jimbo is turning it all around in year 3...until they play Bama and LSU and limp into bowl season.
Posted on 4/30/20 at 3:57 pm to rrboy
quote:as a Tiger fan i would be willing to donate a couple of dollars to aTm to help keep him as their head coach.
It still amazes me at how many people wanted Jimbo for 75 million
as a side note:
i ran across some videos of their midnight yell.
rather humorous but gets old fast.
Posted on 4/30/20 at 4:00 pm to GoldenAge
quote:and don't forget, yell leaders.
But aggies have swag!
Posted on 4/30/20 at 4:21 pm to s2
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It still amazes me at how many people wanted Jimbo for 75 million
Including our AD!
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