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re: LSU 1st Year QB Stats
Posted on 12/2/24 at 4:38 pm to SidewalkTiger
Posted on 12/2/24 at 4:38 pm to SidewalkTiger
That Flynn rating is pretty surprising
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Posted on 12/2/24 at 4:42 pm to Tigerinasia
Asking you throw it 140 times more then when you have Jefferson, chase, Marshall, moss.... and without a 1400 yd Clyde, your going to have more ints.
He had some BAD ints, but no qb should have to throw it that much to move the ball.
He had some BAD ints, but no qb should have to throw it that much to move the ball.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 4:43 pm to dallastigers
The problem with that, and I’m not disagreeing, but as a logistical matter you’d have to start using that standard for every QB comparison ever and that’s opening a very large can of worms.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 4:52 pm to thunderbird1100
During the Oklahoma game they showed in that 3 game span that Dellinger was out, OL had given up 12 sacks. They had only given up 2 in the previous 7 with Dellinger playing. That is a big part of the reason they lost those games.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 4:59 pm to Madking
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That Flynn rating is pretty surprising
Low completion percentage at 56.3%
Threw a pick every 32.6 attempts and a touchdown every 17.
Nuss has thrown a pick every 44.5 attempts and a touchdown every 18.8.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 5:22 pm to Locoguan0
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The simple truth is that LSU has sucked at running the ball since 2016, but even a half decent run game would be the difference.
Stable should be full of young, dynamic backs next season. IF the OL comes together, we can flip this script.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 5:23 pm to iamandykeim
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Jayden Daniels 2022 238/347 (68.6%) 3,390 Total Yards 26 Touchdowns 2 Interceptions
Garrett Nussmeier 2024 312/490 (63.7%) 3,690 Total Yards 29 Touchdowns 11 Interceptions
Wow, Nuss had 143 (41%) more attempts than Daniels did in his freshman campaign. Tigers need to run the ball a whole lot more next season!
To further underscore that point, Nuss has 37 fewer attempts than Burrow had in ‘19 (527), in 3 fewer games. Assuming he plays in the bowl game, Nuss could very easily match Joe’s attempts in 2 fewer games. That’s asking a lot of a first year starter.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 5:24 pm to thunderbird1100
Problem is that most of his Ints were not risk throws, they were careless throws. You have to protect the football in this conference to be successful....
Posted on 12/2/24 at 5:51 pm to Madking
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The problem with that, and I’m not disagreeing, but as a logistical matter you’d have to start using that standard for every QB comparison ever and that’s opening a very large can of worms.
That’s true. An objective standard on comparing experience and different styles of offense can be difficult to agree upon.
I still think JB having much less college experience including having zero experience at LSU, with it’s offense, and with it’s staff until the summer before his first starting season is a large limitation on any conclusions or predictions on future success one can draw from a comparison of first year starting seasons at LSU between JB and Nuss even before factoring in offensive styles of the respective offenses and coaches. Most keep saying JB didn’t show that much until late in 2018 season, and I think his much more limited playing experience along with his summer transfer to LSU right before starting played a big part of that.
If one were to just compare seasons Nuss obviously had a better statistical year, but if trying to compare “first starting” seasons at LSU between JB and Nuss as a basis for possible improvement during starting season #2 I think using stats alone is limited in predictive value for this specific comparison.
This post was edited on 12/2/24 at 7:17 pm
Posted on 12/2/24 at 5:57 pm to BK785
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Problem is that most of his Ints were not risk throws, they were careless throws. You have to protect the football in this conference to be successful....
Burrow and Daniels were more risk averse their first season which led to fewer turnovers, but more sacks. Burrow was sacked 35 times in 2018, Daniels 43 in 2022 and Nuss 16 in 2024 with one fewer games.
YPA were nearly identical Burrow 7.6, Daniels 7.5 and Nuss 7.6.
Risk averse is obviously not a bad trait. Burrow got a better OC and mastered pre-snap reads going into 2019. JD learned to trust his arm and receivers going into 2023.
There's no guarantee Nuss makes a big leap in year 2. I doubt he makes the same leap because those two are anomalies, but does he have a major improvement?
Factors in favor:
Natural maturation in 2nd year
Sloan with a 2nd season as OC and hopefully better play design
Durham as the clear #1 and 5 star Berry as new threat
Hilton if he returns and is healthy provides the deep threat to open up the field
Pimpton and Green as dynamic TE threats
Possible negatives:
Loss of Lacy's production
Inexperienced OL
Taylor likely gone
Loss of Williams as most complete back
Posted on 12/2/24 at 6:34 pm to dallastigers
Yea I agree with you and though the stats may not have shown it JBs understanding of the position and how to control the game was obviously advanced right off the bat. For him he just needed to improve his accuracy and his WRs dropped a ton of balls in year 1.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 6:49 pm to GeauxldMember
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Wow, Nuss had 143 (41%) more attempts than Daniels did in his freshman campaign. Tigers need to run the ball a whole lot more next season!
Blocking issues for a running game using the RBs the prior 2 seasons were masked by JD’s running from both called run plays and just taking off from the pocket. Without the threat of a running QB much less the QB being the leading rusher the design of the running game offense and run blocking needed a lot of work during the off season. They had to have known that this year however many of JD’s runs the past 2 seasons actually started as pass plays that with Nuss the same calls were going to stay pass plays which would require a shift in running game philosophy including the improved run blocking. To not have done a better job during the off season to address this is a big fail for Kelly, Sloan, and Davis.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 6:51 pm to thunderbird1100
It would have been great to have Lance Heard on the team when Garrett Dellinger went down.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 6:56 pm to dallastigers
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Before 1st starting season Nuss did have a lot more experience playing college football with all of it being at LSU
Under 2 different head coaches and 3 different OCs. Burrow had more continuity in his growth despite playing for two different teams.
No one who brings up Burrow is saying their situations are identical or that Nuss is going to be as good as him. It’s just to show maybe Nuss isn’t as bad as many people try to portray him. No one thought Burrow or Jayden were awesome players after their first years.
This post was edited on 12/3/24 at 1:26 am
Posted on 12/2/24 at 6:56 pm to dallastigers
JD had 94 scrambles last season so that’s 94 extra pass plays called that the stats don’t show. Not sure what the number was in 2022 but it felt like we had more designed run calls for him last season than his 1st so minus the 43 sacks he ran it 143 times in 2022 with a lot of those being scrambles too. The point being that since Kelly’s been here we haven’t really tried to run the ball. It’s more of a changeup pitch than a focused intent. Mostly we’ve just dropped the QB back 40-50 times a game which isn’t going to win titles of any kind. That has to change.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 7:35 pm to TDsngumbo
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It’s easy to complete 63% of your throws when you’re throwing 10 yards parallel to the LOS to gain 6 yards on 3rd & 23.
Since LSU finished 10th nationally and 1st in the SEC in third down conversion percentage, your example likely never happened or if it did, statistics say it was very infrequent.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 7:41 pm to Madking
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JD had 94 scrambles last season so that’s 94 extra pass plays called that the stats don’t show. Not sure what the number was in 2022 but it felt like we had more designed run calls for him last season than his 1st so minus the 43 sacks he ran it 143 times in 2022 with a lot of those being scrambles too. The point being that since Kelly’s been here we haven’t really tried to run the ball. It’s more of a changeup pitch than a focused intent. Mostly we’ve just dropped the QB back 40-50 times a game which isn’t going to win titles of any kind. That has to change.
2022 14 games
Jayden Daniels 266/388 (68.6%)
388 passes - 2913 yards
186 runs - 885 yards
total yards - 3798
26 Touchdowns 3 Interceptions 43 sacks
2024 12 games
Garrett Nussmeier 312/490 (63.7%)
490 passes - 3735 yards
33 runs - negative 45 yards
total yards - 3690
29 Touchdowns 11 Interceptions 16 sacks
JD 574 total attempts
Nuss 523 total attempts
Attempts should be even after the bowl game. Nuss will have a few hundred more yards total, more TDs and less than half the sacks. More interceptions.
This post was edited on 12/2/24 at 8:29 pm
Posted on 12/2/24 at 10:31 pm to poncho villa
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He handed Texas 8&4 a win
The defense owned the L as much. or more than Nuss who was just trying to make up for their incompetence.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 10:38 pm to Adam Banks
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Against Florida our running backs averaged 4.8 yards per carry and he tied his lowest qb rating in a game this season.
He also was sacked 7 times.
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