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Posted on 8/12/20 at 8:25 am to TigerLunatik
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Wouldn't that apply to regular students as well?
Yes it should! But its not about the safety of these kids! Its all about the fear of liability and this rare heart condition that they are using as an excuse. But what theses short sited presidents are banking on is that, no one is gonna pay attention to half the student body contracting the virus when they return to campus. They are gonna get burned.
In the GMA interview yesterday with Sanky, it was quoted that 800 college football players had tested positive for Covid-19 and out of that number, 5, had been diagnosed with myocarditis. That's less than 1% of all college football players that tested positive nation wide.
Lets use 1% to keep it simple. 800 positive test in a somewhat controlled environment 2 months ago, I'm sure the number would be much lower today as most schools have changed their protocols, and 5 cases of myocarditis.
Ohio State is having students on campus for the fall, in a less than somewhat controlled environment, their undergraduate student body is around 50K. What % will contract Covid-19? Lets be conservative and say 10%, which in IMO is way low, that's 5000. 1% is 500 myocarditis cases to the regular student population based on the numbers they are using to say that they cant play football. So if its about the safety of the kids, how are you allowing students back on campus? You have 100 times more risk and liability. That's just one B1G school they have 14 members and so does the Pac-12. Its all BS!
This post was edited on 8/12/20 at 8:32 am
Posted on 8/12/20 at 8:54 am to USMCTIGER1970
quote:Love the post. And those are important facts.
Yes it should! But its not about the safety of these kids! Its all about the fear of liability and this rare heart condition that they are using as an excuse. But what theses short sited presidents are banking on is that, no one is gonna pay attention to half the student body contracting the virus when they return to campus. They are gonna get burned.
In the GMA interview yesterday with Sanky, it was quoted that 800 college football players had tested positive for Covid-19 and out of that number, 5, had been diagnosed with myocarditis. That's less than 1% of all college football players that tested positive nation wide.
Lets use 1% to keep it simple. 800 positive test in a somewhat controlled environment 2 months ago, I'm sure the number would be much lower today as most schools have changed their protocols, and 5 cases of myocarditis.
Ohio State is having students on campus for the fall, in a less than somewhat controlled environment, their undergraduate student body is around 50K. What % will contract Covid-19? Lets be conservative and say 10%, which in IMO is way low, that's 5000. 1% is 500 myocarditis cases to the regular student population based on the numbers they are using to say that they cant play football. So if its about the safety of the kids, how are you allowing students back on campus? You have 100 times more risk and liability. That's just one B1G school they have 14 members and so does the Pac-12. Its all BS!
BUT... Even if 99% of of the under 25 male population caught Covid and 99% of them developed severe clinical myocarditis none of it matters in the face of this question:
Does playing football with the proposed safeguards in place increase the chances of catching Covid as compared to home-instituted safeguards for an individual?
Nope.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 8:58 am to Peepdip
If getting the virus is unavoidable, why are the healthy and the young altering our lifestyles at all? This is lunacy...the CDC and politicians change their tune every time they want to maintain control!
Posted on 8/12/20 at 10:28 am to Tiger Ugly
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And if I end up with this heart condition or whatever they have put forward to try to spread fear, I could sue my owner as could any of my co-workers and it would likely close his business down for good as he is a relatively small business in our world.
Anyone can sue anyone, but you would lose. If you did win, it would be through worker’s compensation and you wouldn’t be shutting anyone down.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 10:52 am to MarlboroTiger
Oh, I think liability is indeed a big part of the problem. Ironically, LSU and similar elite programs could be even more at risk. Think if top NFL prospect plays then gets sick with serious (even long-term) consequences. He could sue for potential lost pro earnings on top of other health-related damages. More at stake in that case. It's almost always about the money.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 11:26 am to Peepdip
quote:your opinion and that's all it is! an opinion...
I think actually getting the virus is practically unavoidable, especially for college age kids, so I’m all for playing. I just think that there are more factors than “but how many people died!!??”
no facts, no data. nothing.
the fact is, the CDC, WHO, HHS, Dr. Fauci -lol and many others are constantly changing their stance on the issue.
it's the flu that they have made into a political football (pun intended).
Geaux TrumpPosted on 8/12/20 at 11:31 am to GeauxTrain
quote:It really is. It's like Jason from Friday the 13th. He should have been killed in Part II, but he just keeps coming back in other ridiculous ways.
As fatalities and hospitalizations continue to fall there's the new talking point that'll be used to keep fear turned to 11. Like clockwork that will be the only thing talked about in the media now instead of the "deadly" virus.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 12:13 pm to SlidellCajun
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If they can keep the players corralled in a controlled environment then it could work. I don’t think that’s what they have planned though
That's not the only thing....they will be tested and will know if they get it. Outside the protocol they will not. They will get, probably at just as high a rate if not higher....outside the protocol only they will not have access to the testing and as again...most of these athletes are asymptomatic, will not know they have it and infect others at a much higher rate due to that fact, including at risk grandma and others.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 12:28 pm to SlidellCajun
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Not sure if people are as concerned with the mortality of the Athletes as much as them spreading it to more vulnerable It’d be a real shame if a football player caught the Rona and gave it to his grandmother which in turn caused her death
What’s more likely is a coach dying. Can you imagine is Sabans old arse got the Rona During a team outbreak and died? LSU has Pete Jenkins who was old as shite I'm
Posted on 8/12/20 at 12:38 pm to GeauxTrain
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As fatalities and hospitalizations continue to fall there's the new talking point that'll be used to keep fear turned to 11. Like clockwork that will be the only thing talked about in the media now instead of the "deadly" virus.
It’s actually getting demonstrably less and less media coverage.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 12:39 pm to TigerStripes30
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please give us a source on this...first ive heard of it and frankly i think you are crock of shite....and this is coming from someone who has had it already
Wait... do you really not know that Covid19 is a novel virus?
Posted on 8/12/20 at 12:42 pm to Tiger Ugly
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Those hiding behind the safety and "you don't really care about these kids, it's all about money". I care about the kids as much as you do and of course it's about the money. Businesses and schools, jobs and livelihoods could be gone forever, quit pretending that doesn't matter.
Then you should also support the legalization of all drugs as well as prostitution because it’s a proven fact that it’s far safer for prostitutes as well as their clients if the industry is regulated and testing and condom use is required.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 2:39 pm to Tiger Ugly
But players don’t want to be sequestered. Look at the NBA. Those guys hate this bubble life. They’re used to hitting the club and getting mobbed by sluts.
College football players are even more adventurous.
College football players are even more adventurous.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 3:05 pm to TigerLunatik
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How would you prove that the school was responsible for the player contracting the virus?
You cannot unless someone got in the game and was positive. But, if they test every player prior to the game, and all were negative, PLAY BALL!
When all our Tigers (20-30) got the Rona (or some were near Rona positives but negative) at Tigerland, did they sue Sue who might have kissed them slopping Rona spit? No. Did they sue the bar that Sue, Suzie, our Tigers were at? No.
Test and play
Posted on 8/12/20 at 7:00 pm to J2thaROC
J2thaROC
"I’m to assume by this argument you are also on board with legalizing prostitution across the board and bring it back to brothels because that’s your argument. Prostitutes (as well as their clients) are far safer when it’s placed in an organized, regulated environment. In fact, with proper testing and condom use being mandatory, you are far less likely to catch an STD in a brothel than you are from any random hookup."
I'm to assume by this argument you are also on board with letting college football be played in Nevada this season since prostitution is legal in most of Nevada. But then, I made the same mistake you made, I assumed.
"I’m to assume by this argument you are also on board with legalizing prostitution across the board and bring it back to brothels because that’s your argument. Prostitutes (as well as their clients) are far safer when it’s placed in an organized, regulated environment. In fact, with proper testing and condom use being mandatory, you are far less likely to catch an STD in a brothel than you are from any random hookup."
I'm to assume by this argument you are also on board with letting college football be played in Nevada this season since prostitution is legal in most of Nevada. But then, I made the same mistake you made, I assumed.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 7:15 pm to Broski
quote:God, I pray this phrase is banned
the optics of it would be a PR nightmare for the school, w
Posted on 8/13/20 at 6:29 am to SlidellCajun
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Those guys hate this bubble life. They’re used to hitting the club and getting mobbed by sluts. College football players are even more adventurous.
The bottom like here Dale for me is these kids are safer in this protocol. Sequestered is a relative term, I guess different teams have different policies and I have no idea if college football teams are fully "sequestered".
But whatever you call it IMHO they are safer to themselves and others in these team protocols. If they do sneak out and get it they are tested and if positive quarantined right away.
If not in these team protocols that's not the case. So IMHO if you rail that safety is the reason that's a flawed argument. Liability seems to be the main reason. Because if it truly was safety I am adamant in my belief these kids are safer to themselves and of spreading to others in this protocol than if not within the protection of these team protocols.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 6:37 am to MarlboroTiger
It isn’t just the players that could be infected. Big time college football draws in a lot of people from lots of walks of life, from fans, to media, to vendors, to health care, to law enforcement...I could go on and on.
Games will create an absolute hot spot for COVID to spread like wildfire as folks go back to their lives after the game. COVID would spread exponentially.
And who created the hotspot that caused death and untold amounts of loss to the general economy?
The universities that put on these events...in full knowledge of the potential down sides.
Liability city.
Games will create an absolute hot spot for COVID to spread like wildfire as folks go back to their lives after the game. COVID would spread exponentially.
And who created the hotspot that caused death and untold amounts of loss to the general economy?
The universities that put on these events...in full knowledge of the potential down sides.
Liability city.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 6:41 am to J2thaROC
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Then you should also support the legalization of all drugs as well as prostitution because it’s a proven fact that it’s far safer for prostitutes as well as their clients if the industry is regulated and testing and condom use is required.
I'll let you lobby for those things if they are important to you. I'm going to lobby for college football and the IMHO, FACT that kids are safer in these protocols - to themselves and to others - than not in these protocols.
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