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re: Lester Earl ,Josh336,Honkus and Tiger Ryno are not going to like this pitch count
Posted on 4/19/25 at 12:01 pm to Mouth
Posted on 4/19/25 at 12:01 pm to Mouth
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Although I agree with your point about pitch count. It’s an issue. But this is college. Let’s win rings. Not worried about MLB draft and signing bonuses.
As an LSU fan I agree. But you aren’t going to find very many college players or coaches that feel the same as you.
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Posted on 4/19/25 at 12:01 pm to supersaints9
Calling people out by name in the thread title. 
Posted on 4/19/25 at 12:05 pm to LSBoosie
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I have no clue and I’m not claiming to know, which is why I literally said I have no opinion on the matter. I’m just saying it doesn’t help the OP’s argument.
I understand what you’re saying. I’ve just seen it pointed out several times. It’s just not able to be easily argued when he had a bad outing right before the Oklahoma outing.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 12:06 pm to Mouth
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But LSU is trying to win championships.Win at all costs regardless of pitch count.
Follow the LSU baseball recruiting twitter. They constantly promote the idea of coming to LSU to develop and play professionally.
It's certainly not win at all costs lol. LSU does a pretty good job to managing and monitoring pitch counts. So your statement is simply not true.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 12:08 pm to doubleb
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Earlier I posted a link to an article that says it’s not. I believe what that article says is true,
Its behind a paywall and i cannot read it. Copy and paste what is pertinent to this discussion
Posted on 4/19/25 at 12:13 pm to Lester Earl
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What made it necessary? He’s a projected 1st rd pick, pitching in nasty weather in an early-season conference game, who had an arm injury coming out of high school.
You are conflating the two issues. Was it risky is one issue. Was it unnecessary is another.
You seem to want to define them the same way.
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You say trust the coach
I never said that. You are inventing things.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 12:17 pm to Lester Earl
That’s strange, I had no issues.
Here are some quotes:
Here are some quotes:
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The industry of baseball—Major League teams, colleges, amateur coaches and high-tech training facilities—has failed an entire generation of pitchers. The development of pitchers is an abject failure. The quest to increase velocity has come at too high of a cost: health. It must change.
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This is the only fact you need to know about why pitchers are breaking down: the ulnar collateral ligament cannot withstand the torque modern pitchers are imposing on it. It’s that simple.
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Fleisig’s team has done studies on cadavers to see just how much torque the UCL can withstand before it tears. The cadaver ligament began breaking apart even before the torque associated with an upper-90s fastball. Granted, the cadavers were not healthy athletes in their 20s, but the point, Fleisig says, “is we are going beyond what the body can withstand.”
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Here is the proof. I looked at all the starting pitchers from 2019-23 who averaged at least 96.5 mph with their four-seam fastball in any season in which they threw at least 600 fastballs. I came up with 21 high-velocity throwers over the past five years. Of those 21, 18 broke down with major injuries and account for at least 22 elbow surgeries.
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The increase at the top of the velocity range is staggering. Check this out: the number of pitches thrown 100 mph or more has more than tripled in just five years, from 1,058 pitches in 2019 to 3,880 last year.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 12:18 pm to moneyg
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You are conflating the two issues. Was it risky is one issue. Was it unnecessary is another.
risk is part of what makes it's necessary or not. Also, a completely irrelevant sidenote that would bore me to even dig into.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 12:18 pm to josh336
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He is a projected 1st round pick, it wasnt a postseason game, the weather wasnt conducive, and lsu’s bullpen was full and ready to go
Also conflating the two issues. You’ve mixed the risk (1st round, weather) with the need (not postseason, bullpen ready).
LSU definitely benefitted from the decision and it probably led to a sweep as it preserved LSUs very shallow bullpen.
It wasn’t unnecessary.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 12:21 pm to Tiger Ryno
Well yeah but Nolan wasn't human!
Posted on 4/19/25 at 12:22 pm to doubleb
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This is the only fact you need to know about why pitchers are breaking down: the ulnar collateral ligament cannot withstand the torque modern pitchers are imposing on it. It’s that simple.
So where does it say that regulating pitches does not help?
Unless you are under the understanding that throwing one 100mph puts the same stress on the arm as throwing ten of them.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 12:43 pm to Lester Earl
You yourself posted about how the mlb teams have cut back on IP, and pitches throw; yet the injuries to hard throwers has ballooned. Why? Certainly not overuse.
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Major League teams annoy me with their mixed messages. They trumpet how “careful” they are with their pitchers – reduced pitch counts, more rest between starts, avoiding using a relief pitcher for a third straight day, etc. It’s largely eyewash. Those mitigations do not keep pitchers safe from the strain that velocity puts on their UCLs. And MLB teams continually stress the importance of velocity, of pitchers getting swings and misses to keep the ball out of play and for starting pitchers to max out with their velocity and effort from the first pitch they throw. The carrot they put in front of pitchers is to chase velocity.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 12:49 pm to doubleb
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how the mlb teams have cut back on IP, and pitches throw; yet the injuries to hard throwers has ballooned
Well, I think the frequency of the injuries started the trend. Not the other way around. The reduction of injuries will never be linear because of the sheer amount of pitchers that are engaging in exercises to throw harder. So it’s not crazy to think the injuries increase or stagnate,
There is still nothing to prove that it is pointless. Again, unless you believe that throwing 1 is the same as throwing 10.
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They trumpet how “careful” they are with their pitchers – reduced pitch counts, more rest between starts, avoiding using a relief pitcher for a third straight day, etc. It’s largely eyewash. Those mitigations do not keep pitchers safe from the strain that velocity puts on their UCLs.
Says who, and based on what? Is this Tom Verducci? Whose quote is this?
Posted on 4/19/25 at 1:01 pm to Lester Earl
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Says who, and based on what? Is this Tom Verducci? Whose quote is this?
Yes and Glenn Fleisig
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“Essentially the UCL is being pushed beyond what it can take,” says Glenn Fleisig, Biomechanics Research Director of the American Sports Medicine Institute, a leader in his field and a consultant to MLB. “We’ve developed a situation through mad science where we are pushing the body beyond what the ligament can handle.”
This post was edited on 4/19/25 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 4/19/25 at 1:55 pm to Lester Earl
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It's certainly not win at all costs lol
Tell that to Jay. He will always toe the line to win. Regardless what X says.
Recruiting is one thing. Situational awareness takes over once your here in front of LSU fans. This fan base loves to brag about its MLB presence. But winning rings is what the goal is.
College being the first step at farm ball is exactly what’s wrong with the NCAA right now. You’re too sensitive to the future.
Let the kids compete while they’re still amateurs.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 3:02 pm to Mouth
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Tell that to Jay. He will always toe the line to win. Regardless what X say
I mean he’s made maybe 2 egregious decisions in his time at lsu while managing numerous high profile arms. He doesn’t really toe the line. The Anderson move was a bit desperate despite Jay knowing he’s a $3million dollar arm.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 3:08 pm to josh336
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Whether you want to admit it or not, having anderson throw 135 pitches on a cold night was slightly risky. There is a reason dont throw that many in college or the pros. It may end up fine, it may not, just seems like an unnecessary risk
Elaborate. Why would Ryan, Clemens, etc would throw 150 a game and still throw 100 into his mid-40’s before his last pitch at 46 after 5000+ Ks and all those wins.
GTHO of here with this shite.
Anderson is a freaking PITCHER and not a max velocity dumbass like most of these kids today.
That means that he can do what he did.
This post was edited on 4/19/25 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 4/19/25 at 3:09 pm to supersaints9
They don’t like life in general
Posted on 4/19/25 at 3:16 pm to Tiger1988
You’re right, kids today are just too dumb. They should all just approach baseball more like nolan ryan. Thats the problem
Posted on 4/19/25 at 3:32 pm to Lester Earl
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The Anderson move was a bit desperate despite Jay knowing he’s a $3million dollar arm.
You keep saying that without providing any back up.
Current trends are for pitching less, pitching less frequently, but high velocity pitchers are getting hurt at a higher rate. It’s obvious that these strategies aren’t curbing arm injuries.
The stats show guys throwing harder (more averaging 96+) more pitching less often and more pitching fewer pitches; yet more are getting injured.
If pitching less doesn’t prevent injuries why would pitching more cause injuries if the pitcher is not stressed?
To me the question isn’t whether or not Anderson threw too many pitches, it is whether or not he threw too many pitchers under stress and whether or not he didn’t get the proper rest.
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