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re: Lane Kiffin & LSU outsmarted the SEC & put them in a trap when we locked our roster.
Posted on 9/11/26 at 1:19 pm to lsu4321
Posted on 9/11/26 at 1:19 pm to lsu4321
Absolutely when you start costing universities’s money and you were hired to do what’s in the best interest of the university then you gotta go so I don’t see how in the end some of these presidents and chancellor‘s aren’t fired especially if there’s a discrimination lawsuits and civil rights is brought into it. They have no choice but to fire them because then it looks like they employ people who commit discrimination, etc..
Posted on 9/11/26 at 1:34 pm to Tiger1988
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Why discriminate against GLeague when some of these guys, we know can end up in the NBA HoF like Dirk and others…
It’s complete bullshite.
Actually a pretty good point. No G league player has gone to NBA hof... Many cases of international pro ball before NBA ending up in hof.
I doubt they institute no international pro rules anytime soon though as that would knock out players from a lot of college teams
Posted on 9/11/26 at 1:46 pm to sarussell01
While I appreciate the breakdown, and completely agree with what you are saying, what is the point...? How does it benefit LSU to continue the embarassment for the SEC? If we burn it all down, what is the point...? To what end...?
Posted on 9/11/26 at 2:05 pm to jp4lsu
I’m not saying it was the only legal strategy but it most certainly became a factor in their overall strategy.,
This post was edited on 9/11/26 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 9/11/26 at 2:06 pm to gumbeaux
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Sankey has some vendetta against Kiffin and he acted before thinking it through.
Maybe Kiffin banged his wife.
Posted on 9/11/26 at 2:08 pm to lsu4321
It’s not what you know it’s who you know in how a lot of them have gotten their jobs I’m sure.
Posted on 9/11/26 at 2:14 pm to sarussell01
Dude, no. Just no.
This wasn't some grand plan thought up by a dark-side brain trust at LSU to set a trap for the SEC. Nor was it a conspiracy by the black hats at the SEC to find a way to remove LSU as a potential contender in the conference.
It was simply a comedy of errors, with each event following as a result of previous events.
Start with the 5 for 5 ruling. A bunch of students were told that they could legally go back and play their 5th year by a court, regardless of what the NCAA said.
That resulted in said students trying to get spots on rosters, two of which were at LSU. That's logical.
LSU said they were going to accept the students as players since the courts said it was okay. Logical.
Then the SEC got into the fight and said "we don't care what the NCAA or courts say, we're not going to let you roster or play those students." Again, a predictable (if somewhat nonsensical) reaction.
LSU was caught in the middle (remember they didn't initiate or participate in ANY legal proceedings) between two students with legal standing to play and the SEC threatening fire and brimstone if they did. So they let the players enroll at LSU but didn't roster them.
The students then amended the suit that they'd already won to include the SEC. The SEC, predictably, balked, and the two specific students in question went to court in Baton Rouge (where the school they chose was located) and got a TRO against the SEC because they were likely to succeed in their suit.
SEC and Sankey respond predictably and start threatening LSU - again a natural follow-on result.
Kiffin and LSU said they'd follow the SEC policy (which they did), but they refused to "bend the knee" in contrition to Sankey who was acting like a petty tyrant. Predictable, and logical consequence.
Sankey was called to testify in BR (as expected) and made a complete fool of himself under oath, and then left BR at lightspeed in a rage (understandable, although it was self-inflicted).
Here's where it gets interesting: at this point rumors start to come out about LSU getting "ejected" from the SEC. If there was any conspiracy in this whole debacle, this is where it started. Current groupthink is that butthurt Tennessee and Ole Miss were behind the push to start the ejection vote; Sankey, still licking his wounds from being humiliated, gladly joined the posse with his own torch and pitchfork.
Sankey and the SEC then file a suit in federal court seeking the "right" to kick LSU out of the SEC because, reasons (that he couldn't define under oath). Supposedly, Tenn and OM were whipping votes with the other SEC schools to make this happen.
All the while, Kiffin and LSU are still caught in the middle - can't roster or play the players because the SEC has released the Kraken, yet are also reluctant to break their commitment to let those players play (also logical - Kiffin coached them at OM, wanted them at LSU if it was possible, plus they would have grounds for damages if LSU went back on their word).
The final act of this play occurred when LSU rostered two other students. My guess (and a logical assumption) is they thought it would defang the SEC's threats while also giving the two players a firm target to vent their ire at: the SEC and Sankey for pressuring LSU to renege on their commitment.
TL/DR - To me, this was simply a predictable train of events that anyone with an unbiased eye could see. Again, the only nefarious plot possibility was Tennessee and OM possibly conspiring behind the scenes on the LSU ejection proposal. With Sankey's bruised ego they might have seen an opportunity to pursue that course of action.
Other than that, seems like a simple chain of events to follow.
Just my opinion, y'all. Fire away.
This wasn't some grand plan thought up by a dark-side brain trust at LSU to set a trap for the SEC. Nor was it a conspiracy by the black hats at the SEC to find a way to remove LSU as a potential contender in the conference.
It was simply a comedy of errors, with each event following as a result of previous events.
Start with the 5 for 5 ruling. A bunch of students were told that they could legally go back and play their 5th year by a court, regardless of what the NCAA said.
That resulted in said students trying to get spots on rosters, two of which were at LSU. That's logical.
LSU said they were going to accept the students as players since the courts said it was okay. Logical.
Then the SEC got into the fight and said "we don't care what the NCAA or courts say, we're not going to let you roster or play those students." Again, a predictable (if somewhat nonsensical) reaction.
LSU was caught in the middle (remember they didn't initiate or participate in ANY legal proceedings) between two students with legal standing to play and the SEC threatening fire and brimstone if they did. So they let the players enroll at LSU but didn't roster them.
The students then amended the suit that they'd already won to include the SEC. The SEC, predictably, balked, and the two specific students in question went to court in Baton Rouge (where the school they chose was located) and got a TRO against the SEC because they were likely to succeed in their suit.
SEC and Sankey respond predictably and start threatening LSU - again a natural follow-on result.
Kiffin and LSU said they'd follow the SEC policy (which they did), but they refused to "bend the knee" in contrition to Sankey who was acting like a petty tyrant. Predictable, and logical consequence.
Sankey was called to testify in BR (as expected) and made a complete fool of himself under oath, and then left BR at lightspeed in a rage (understandable, although it was self-inflicted).
Here's where it gets interesting: at this point rumors start to come out about LSU getting "ejected" from the SEC. If there was any conspiracy in this whole debacle, this is where it started. Current groupthink is that butthurt Tennessee and Ole Miss were behind the push to start the ejection vote; Sankey, still licking his wounds from being humiliated, gladly joined the posse with his own torch and pitchfork.
Sankey and the SEC then file a suit in federal court seeking the "right" to kick LSU out of the SEC because, reasons (that he couldn't define under oath). Supposedly, Tenn and OM were whipping votes with the other SEC schools to make this happen.
All the while, Kiffin and LSU are still caught in the middle - can't roster or play the players because the SEC has released the Kraken, yet are also reluctant to break their commitment to let those players play (also logical - Kiffin coached them at OM, wanted them at LSU if it was possible, plus they would have grounds for damages if LSU went back on their word).
The final act of this play occurred when LSU rostered two other students. My guess (and a logical assumption) is they thought it would defang the SEC's threats while also giving the two players a firm target to vent their ire at: the SEC and Sankey for pressuring LSU to renege on their commitment.
TL/DR - To me, this was simply a predictable train of events that anyone with an unbiased eye could see. Again, the only nefarious plot possibility was Tennessee and OM possibly conspiring behind the scenes on the LSU ejection proposal. With Sankey's bruised ego they might have seen an opportunity to pursue that course of action.
Other than that, seems like a simple chain of events to follow.
Just my opinion, y'all. Fire away.
Posted on 9/11/26 at 2:32 pm to sarussell01
Nobody is in contempt of court unless the judge deems them in contempt, regardless of what comes out pf their mouth. Did this happen?
Posted on 9/11/26 at 2:49 pm to SludgeFactory
I agree with everything you have said I couldn’t have said it better myself. I have been waiting for my entire life for them to stand up to this crooked arse SEC office.
The only thing I will add to what you said is it actually goes further back than even the 80s. I think the SEC office has been corrupt from the beginning, but I think the first real documented evidence of that goes back to 1964 when Bobby Dodd from Georgia Tech took on the SEC and Alabama for breaking rules and how some could get away with breaking rules and some couldn’t. I think it was called the 104 rule, but it was pertaining to recruiting. We all know how that ended. Bobby Dodd removed GT from the SEC. If they don’t irrelevant in football, but I’ll say they have not had to put up with the SEC’s BS anymore.
Anyone who knows the true history behind Bear Bryant and recruiting those that he would recruit players just so no one else could know a fool well, he had no intent in playing some of them. He is one of the main reasons why the NCAA implemented scholarship limitations.
The only thing I will add to what you said is it actually goes further back than even the 80s. I think the SEC office has been corrupt from the beginning, but I think the first real documented evidence of that goes back to 1964 when Bobby Dodd from Georgia Tech took on the SEC and Alabama for breaking rules and how some could get away with breaking rules and some couldn’t. I think it was called the 104 rule, but it was pertaining to recruiting. We all know how that ended. Bobby Dodd removed GT from the SEC. If they don’t irrelevant in football, but I’ll say they have not had to put up with the SEC’s BS anymore.
Anyone who knows the true history behind Bear Bryant and recruiting those that he would recruit players just so no one else could know a fool well, he had no intent in playing some of them. He is one of the main reasons why the NCAA implemented scholarship limitations.
This post was edited on 9/11/26 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 9/11/26 at 2:52 pm to JayVegas702
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Actually a pretty good point. No G league player has gone to NBA hof... Many cases of international pro ball before NBA ending up in hof.
Michigan doesn’t win the title last year without an international player. In a damn good one. There’s so much bullshite with all of this.
Posted on 9/11/26 at 2:53 pm to SludgeFactory
And that run that pos state as a whole.
Posted on 9/11/26 at 2:56 pm to nealnan8
Well no shite lol it would have to be the players’s attorneys to file emotion of contempt of court, and then the judge would have to agree that they were in contempt, but obviously they are unless I’m missing something.
Posted on 9/11/26 at 3:11 pm to Dotarian
You misunderstood the original post. I never said that was the plan for the beginning.
Again, if you read the paragraph where I said. When they refused to allow LSU to add the two players. I think LSU’s position was fine, we’ll go ahead and lock our roster for the year and let the chips fall where they may.
In case you’re still confused, LSU and/or the players attorneys could have made several different decisions and how to respond to that including going straight back to the court, but I think they avoided that step because they knew they would just keep fighting it. I think they chose to just go ahead and lock the roster for the year and then take whatever Legal recourse they can against the SEC.
So again, no I’m not saying this I was their A plan. This is a cat and mouse game, but I absolutely believe that they could have taken other measures to get those players on the roster but decided not to because they knew either way they had the SEC by their balls and then either way they were gonna have a lawsuit that’s gonna be settled out and those players wanted to get paid either way.
Again, if you read the paragraph where I said. When they refused to allow LSU to add the two players. I think LSU’s position was fine, we’ll go ahead and lock our roster for the year and let the chips fall where they may.
In case you’re still confused, LSU and/or the players attorneys could have made several different decisions and how to respond to that including going straight back to the court, but I think they avoided that step because they knew they would just keep fighting it. I think they chose to just go ahead and lock the roster for the year and then take whatever Legal recourse they can against the SEC.
So again, no I’m not saying this I was their A plan. This is a cat and mouse game, but I absolutely believe that they could have taken other measures to get those players on the roster but decided not to because they knew either way they had the SEC by their balls and then either way they were gonna have a lawsuit that’s gonna be settled out and those players wanted to get paid either way.
This post was edited on 9/12/26 at 1:09 am
Posted on 9/11/26 at 3:21 pm to sarussell01
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100% believe Alabama was at the forefront of it,
I don’t. Honestly not their style. I bet if a vote would’ve come they would’ve voted against booting LSU from the conference. What does Bama gain from booting LSU?
I believe this was pushed by that bitch from Tennessee and very likely aTm.
Posted on 9/11/26 at 3:24 pm to LSU4LIFEo85
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K.I.F.F.I.N. There’s no E
It’s an E for effort.
Posted on 9/11/26 at 3:29 pm to SludgeFactory
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This goes all the way back to the 80's and Dale Brown, for example.
FACTS
Posted on 9/11/26 at 4:15 pm to Dotarian
a tale of two tales. essentially the difference is one that was a master plan by LSU and the other was LSU reacting to each step the SEC took. I do not believe it was a master plan because there was no way to predict exactly the SEC's reaction to every step we took. I believe your explanaiton is correct but it had the same final ending. I think LSU simply wanted to add those 2 players and felt it was likely they could get a court to agree to let them do it.similar things have happened repeatedly all over the country. frankly, that's what should have happened but our commisioner started the war by filing the federal action in north alabama (i never heard where or what court). from that point it was clear that we had new ground to cover. the stakes were too high for LSU as we didn't reallly need those players so we punted. and i believe that was the appropriate response.
at this point it doesn't matter how we got here. we have a damn good football team and damn good coaches; good enough to win it all if we get a break or two.
the future is my concern. we still don't know the ironclad rules and our relationship with the league is hurt but i believe time will fix that as long as we fire sankey and hire someone that will enforce the rules uniformly. i also think someone should fire suit to stop chamblis from playing (not LSU). we've done our part on the 5 for 5 thing for the 22 class. maybe fate will intervene and chamblis will break his leg or something not life threatning.
at this point it doesn't matter how we got here. we have a damn good football team and damn good coaches; good enough to win it all if we get a break or two.
the future is my concern. we still don't know the ironclad rules and our relationship with the league is hurt but i believe time will fix that as long as we fire sankey and hire someone that will enforce the rules uniformly. i also think someone should fire suit to stop chamblis from playing (not LSU). we've done our part on the 5 for 5 thing for the 22 class. maybe fate will intervene and chamblis will break his leg or something not life threatning.
Posted on 9/11/26 at 9:06 pm to sarussell01
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I think the public statement the SEC made was to give themselves more time to discuss with their attorneys on which path is the least damaging for them at this point, but any path they take moving forward they are on the losing end of this thing.
If indeed they took a pause to allow more time to consult w/ their legal, they just made everything worse. It's pretty obvious the SEC has consistently dug the hole deeper. I'm not an attorney, but I think the SEC has not received adequate legal representation. Either that, or Sankey has been ignoring their sage advice and went off on his own course. If this thing continues to devolve the way many LSU fans expect, I think the school presidents will get rid of Sankey and the current legal group. How fast it happens will depend on how many lawsuits the SEC loses against the student athletes and how many depositions/court appearances the presidents make.
Posted on 9/11/26 at 9:13 pm to sarussell01
Lots of teams have <105. We lost 2 during fall and never intended on. Playing or rostering them this season from what I understand
Posted on 9/11/26 at 10:05 pm to Dotarian
You got most of it right but I think you are missing a part about the Big 10 putting out a statement condemning "pro players" a day earlier. This left the SEC looking like they weren't doing anything and as a result they hastily came up with their over the top punishments the next day.
This all started because the SEC painted itself into a corner after they were caught flat footed. They couldn't let the Big10 one up them in the PR battle.
This all started because the SEC painted itself into a corner after they were caught flat footed. They couldn't let the Big10 one up them in the PR battle.
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