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re: Lance Heard not in Tampa

Posted on 12/28/23 at 9:58 am to
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
20241 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 9:58 am to
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The fact that the 2 guys in front of him could stay for 2 more years, leaving him with 1 year to show out, which would be his last year.


No way, barring injury, we see Will Campbell his senior season. That would be dumb as shite on his part. OL get their legs rolled over all the time, if he's healthy he needs to go and be a top 10 pick after next season.

Jones might be in a similar situation. He's got first round written all over him too. Heard needs to show patience.

Posted by sunnydaze
Member since Jan 2010
32941 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 10:30 am to
This is why I don’t care about recruiting class rankings anymore

It’s meaningless. The crown jewel of the ‘23 class gone after 1 year because he didn’t win the starting job

College football is a joke. 75% of the 5 stars are gonna transfer if they don’t play in year 1

Honestly, lsu signed the perfect class this year. A bunch of guys with no ego because of a star that thinks they’re obligated to start.
This post was edited on 12/28/23 at 10:33 am
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
130242 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 10:31 am to
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Heard needs to show patience.


Those days are gone forever.

Elite prospects are going to change teams regularly get get paid and start
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
61432 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 10:33 am to
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Those days are gone forever.

Elite prospects are going to change teams regularly get get paid and start

This.

That is one reason I dont really agree with Kelly trying to build from the HS ranks. Unless something changes, you just are never going to build from the freshman class again...and be competitive. You will lose unhappy starters, or impatient depth pieces every year.

You either get in the portal and be aggressive, or you settle for 3 or 4 loss seasons.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
61432 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 10:35 am to
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This is why I don’t care about recruiting class rankings anymore
Exactly.
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Honestly, lsu signed the perfect class this year. A bunch of guys with no ego because of a star that thinks they’re obligated to start.



I am hoping so, but there are a whole lot of marginal players opt out of their original school every year.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
130242 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 10:38 am to
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That is one reason I dont really agree with Kelly trying to build from the HS ranks. Unless something changes, you just are never going to build from the freshman class again...and be competitive. You will lose unhappy starters, or impatient depth pieces every year.



My guess is money.

The prices they are likely seeing in the portal are outrageous and LSU cannot compete financially with other schools
Posted by sunnydaze
Member since Jan 2010
32941 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 10:39 am to
If a marginal player leaves then most likely he just wasn’t good
Posted by Midtiger farm
Member since Nov 2014
6159 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 10:42 am to
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That is one reason I dont really agree with Kelly trying to build from the HS ranks. Unless something changes, you just are never going to build from the freshman class again...and be competitive. You will lose unhappy starters, or impatient depth pieces every year.


So Nick and Kirby are wrong too but you know better?

We've not lost 1 guy from last years class to the portal except Daughtery who left a month after he arrived and no current starter or presumed starter for next year at this moment
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
61432 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 10:48 am to
So you compare the state of the rosters of UGA, Bama and LSU.

I like BK, but I dont agree with not being more active in the portal with a couple players in areas we really really need a good bit of help.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 10:49 am to
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That is one reason I dont really agree with Kelly trying to build from the HS ranks.


I really don't believe that when Kelly says he wants to "build from the HS ranks" it means to the exclusion of highly productive and talented transfer players. IMO it just means the 80-20 rule over the long haul. 80% from HS and 20% from the portal for players of need.

It was 50% HS and 50% portal in 2022.

In 2023 it was 65% HS and 35% portal.

This class so far is, 90.3% HS and 9.7% portal.
Posted by misey94
Member since Jan 2007
36003 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 11:08 am to
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So you compare the state of the rosters of UGA, Bama and LSU.


This is the first year since 2020 we’ve had enough of a roster to have a full 85 of legitimate P5-level players. You can’t snap your fingers and fix everything at once, which Colorado aptly demonstrated this year.

As for the strategy, we may not be where Bama and UGA are today, but that doesn’t make using the same model a mistake, especially when it’s heavily skewed toward LA talent that may be more likely to hang around a little longer than hired guns from out of state. It’s a proven formula that has worked here for many years.

I would expect that we will average 5-10 portal players per year from here on out. That’s what you see the most stable programs doing.
Posted by HappyTigerDay
Shreveport
Member since Sep 2011
883 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 11:27 am to
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1. Grades 2. Suspension for something else 3. Transfer portal 4. Illness/family situation 5. He is actually there


NIL is the only answer here. A 5 star OT with multiple years of eligibility remaining and who was highly graded when given playing time as a freshman = highly valuable.

I’d say playing time accounts for about 5% of the decision.
Posted by SlidellTiger
Madisonville, La
Member since Jan 2004
1563 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 11:28 am to
ALIGNMENT?????
Posted by TheRouxGuru
Member since Nov 2019
14256 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 11:33 am to
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Honestly, lsu signed the perfect class this year. A bunch of guys with no ego


With all due respect there is absolutely no way you know this is a fact


Just seems like one of those things you say and HOPE to be true
Posted by mpwilging
Punta Gorda Isles, Florida
Member since Jan 2011
9802 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 11:36 am to
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He has the flu


Next thing some goofball wants to see his big arse with a thermometer inserted reading 103
Posted by lsufan1971
Zachary
Member since Nov 2003
24223 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 11:39 am to
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I like BK, but I dont agree with not being more active in the portal with a couple players in areas we really really need a good bit of help


You can’t build a culture needed to sustain success with a heavy take of portal kids. You may get a one year of success but it’s not sustainable. Every year we have had success with championships it’s lead by LA kids sprinkled with kids outside the state.
Posted by Pikes Peak Tiger
Colorado Springs
Member since Jun 2023
9799 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 11:59 am to
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You can’t build a culture needed to sustain success with a heavy take of portal kids. You may get a one year of success but it’s not sustainable. Every year we have had success with championships it’s lead by LA kids sprinkled with kids outside the state


While true, NIL and the portal are changing that. Have to evolve with the times or get left behind.

I don’t particularly like it, but it’s now mass free agency every year. Take advantage of it or settle for second tier.
This post was edited on 12/28/23 at 11:59 am
Posted by redfish99
B.R.
Member since Aug 2007
19422 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 12:00 pm to
So nothing definitive on this ? I couldn’t take the banter…
Posted by KamaCausey_LSU
Member since Apr 2013
17675 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 12:04 pm to
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So nothing definitive on this ? I couldn’t take the banter…
At least this thing can't stretch out past Tuesday when the portal closes.
Posted by sunnydaze
Member since Jan 2010
32941 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 12:27 pm to
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With all due respect there is absolutely no way you know this is a fact


You missed the part where I mentioned a specific ego because of being a 5 star player you cropped a part of the sentence to fit your answer

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