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re: Kind of weird but OK. Ed just taking suggestions from everybody now.
Posted on 10/16/21 at 10:03 pm to DiamondDog
Posted on 10/16/21 at 10:03 pm to DiamondDog
His job is to analyze data and present coaches with suggestions that will help individual players.
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Posted on 10/16/21 at 10:06 pm to TeygerFan
“And any top program would have one”
Well, none of them have Jack, I assure you. He’s a freakin’ genius in his approach to this stuff It’s cutting edge.
Coaching has sucked for sure this year, but at this point, we should take any help we can get.
Well, none of them have Jack, I assure you. He’s a freakin’ genius in his approach to this stuff It’s cutting edge.
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This just proves how poorly coached this team is.
Coaching has sucked for sure this year, but at this point, we should take any help we can get.
Posted on 10/16/21 at 10:07 pm to plance
Marucci should have just posted his suggestions here, then tboy could have passed it on to coach O & peetz.
Posted on 10/16/21 at 10:07 pm to bayou85
quote:People are just asking if this was truly “data” based or common sense scheme based.
His job is to analyze data and present coaches with suggestions that will help individual players.
Posted on 10/16/21 at 10:23 pm to MOT
quote:Given that it is job to produce empirically-tested, data-based suggestions, I doubt it was a gut hunch or even just common sense.
People are just asking if this was truly “data” based or common sense scheme based.
He may have anecdotally observed something he thought might work, then tested it statistically, then made a suggestion. That's how most research works.
But I am almost certain, given his job position and his background, that he did not suggest a major scheme change just based on common sense without the quantitative analysis to support it.
This post was edited on 10/16/21 at 10:25 pm
Posted on 10/16/21 at 10:27 pm to DiamondDog
Marucci has always been in O’s “inner circle”. One of the most influential people in the program without a doubt.
Posted on 10/16/21 at 10:27 pm to MOT
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People are just asking if this was truly “data” based or common sense scheme based
Idk. But his job is very individualized by player. He may have suggested a blocking scheme that would benefit TDP’s speed in one direction vs another. Stuff like that.
Posted on 10/16/21 at 10:29 pm to tenderfoot tigah
“Analytics” see stuff that human eye cannot.
Posted on 10/16/21 at 10:36 pm to tenderfoot tigah
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it took him to put people in the correct place. What the hell are the OC and OL coaches doing?
It is but they basically just kept pulling people.
Posted on 10/16/21 at 10:51 pm to Chalkywhite84
They hook players up to all kinds devices that will reveal things about performance that the human eye can’t see. The “what is the OL
Coach doing” Stuff is nonsense.
Coach doing” Stuff is nonsense.
Posted on 10/16/21 at 11:41 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:He's been in every coach's "inner circle" since DiNardo. And that's just football.
Marucci has always been in O’s “inner circle”. One of the most influential people in the program without a doubt.
Posted on 10/16/21 at 11:52 pm to DiamondDog
I remember news items about Malveto calling Pelini for help at the beginning of the 2008 season. I knew we were headed for trouble.
Posted on 10/16/21 at 11:57 pm to DiamondDog
That's one of those," he played great, but how many of those stats were made three plus lines beyond the scrimmage."Ed needs to desperately answer
Posted on 10/17/21 at 12:17 am to DiamondDog
The fact that it took this far into the season to make any meaningful change to the blocking schemes is pitiful. But the fact that it took a guy with no background in blocking schemes to figure out something that this coaching staff failed to do on their own is disturbing.
Posted on 10/17/21 at 12:21 am to jrobic4
quote:Those are exactly the kinds of questions "traditional scouting" doesn't meaningfully measure, but that Jack and his analytics team can probably produce answers to on the fly, if they have the data. Of course, that doesn't mean Ed understands it.
That's one of those," he played great, but how many of those stats were made three plus lines beyond the scrimmage."Ed needs to desperately answer
This post was edited on 10/17/21 at 12:24 am
Posted on 10/17/21 at 12:39 am to DiamondDog
Dwayne Thomas is a "defensive football analyst" for LSU. He has an undergraduate degree in Sport Administration, which requires zero statistics classes. He literally tried to physically fight a professor who called him out for not attending classes for weeks at a time.
Do you think he is "analyzing data for trends, forecasts, etc."? Of course not, he barely passed ISDS 1100. His job is to do shite like calm Raydar Jones down and explain what he did wrong today (i.e., "Don't do what I did, that time I basically cost us the game for taunting Bama"), like he was shown doing on the sidelines.
Do you think he is "analyzing data for trends, forecasts, etc."? Of course not, he barely passed ISDS 1100. His job is to do shite like calm Raydar Jones down and explain what he did wrong today (i.e., "Don't do what I did, that time I basically cost us the game for taunting Bama"), like he was shown doing on the sidelines.
This post was edited on 10/17/21 at 12:45 am
Posted on 10/17/21 at 12:40 am to DiamondDog
Marruci is more than just a trainer. If he gives advice you listen.
Posted on 10/17/21 at 12:44 am to Gravitiger
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Those are exactly the kinds of questions "traditional scouting" doesn't meaningfully measure, but that Jack and his analytics team can probably produce answers to on the fly, if they have the data. Of course, that doesn't mean Ed understands it.
I'm sorry, but this is not some new "analytics" trick that Jack showed them. "Traditional" scouting absolutely can spot these things. You know how they came up with that "data" (everyone's favorite sports buzzword these days)? They watched film, and charted all of these tendencies that gave them their data points to work with. That has always been the job of scouts, to recognize those things. It's how the Denver Broncos used to consistently produce thousand yard rushers out of career journeymen RB's, going back to the 90's.
The simple fact is that some teams scout well, and some don't. Credit to Jack for doing the work that our actual football coaches were too lazy to put in.
This post was edited on 10/17/21 at 12:46 am
Posted on 10/17/21 at 12:46 am to Metaloctopus
quote:That's just analytics disguised in traditional scouting terminology. People just didn't call it analytics back then, but that's exactly what it was. Many people who would previously been called scouts are now called analysts, but they're doing much of the same work. As I stated pages ago, there is far more overlap between the two than people think.
I'm sorry, but this is not some new "analytics" trick that Jack showed them. "Traditional" scouting absolutely can spot these things. You know how they came up with that "data" (everyone's favorite sports buzzword these days)? They watched film, and charted all of these tendencies that gave them their data points to work with. That has always been the job of scouts, to recognize those things. It's how the Denver Broncos used to consistently produce thousand yard rushers out of career journeymen RB's, going back to the 90's.
The simple fact is that some teams scout well, and some don't. Credit to jack for doing the work that our actual football coaches were too lazy to put in.
It's also something NFL teams had the money to do 20 years ago that college teams are just now figuring out. Smaller sample sizes, much greater differences in competition level, coaching quality, financial constraints, etc., make it a whole lot harder to isolate meaningful effects in college.
We just meaningfully started with Jack and a couple GAs and some unpaid interns a few years ago. The Broncos have had Ivy-League trained economists for two decades.
It's not something our coaches are too lazy for. It's something they are totally unqualifed for.
This post was edited on 10/17/21 at 12:58 am
Posted on 10/17/21 at 12:52 am to Metaloctopus
Yeah that’s genuinely why I’m asking what this actually involved. Being able to quantify physical movements and use it in predictive measurements is the next frontier and would be really cool if we’re that advanced. But there’s nothing in the comments to suggest this is the case. Anyone can see we have a bunch of big offensive linemen with relatively poor footwork and agility, and a back with no lateral quickness but who is big and strong. So did Marucci have some kind of data to show that certain players “block better” from certain formations? Or did he use some very basic stuff to show what coaches’ eyes should have told them long ago, man up and run down hill?
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