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re: "Kelly has won 40 of the past 41 games in which he was favored"

Posted on 8/17/22 at 6:12 pm to
Posted by Damathe
Member since Apr 2020
7092 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 6:12 pm to
Ohio State
quote:

UNC
BYU
Clemson
USC

are not cupcakes

Stanford, BC, and Navy probably play them tough as well

And they also play Syracuse and Cal
8$4 or worse!
Posted by OvertheDwayneBowe
Member since Sep 2016
3458 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 7:16 pm to
I'm amused how the same people would be screaming to the rooftops that ND has a cupcake schedule if we didn't hire BK.
Posted by LawTiger18
Member since Aug 2022
657 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 7:27 pm to
quote:

Says a lot more about Notre Dame's weak opponents than it does BK's coaching. Have you seen ND's cupcake schedule this year? (Edit: they should be favored in 9 out of 12 games)

ND playing a weak schedule is one of the most ridiculous false narratives that is constantly perpetuated across CFB fans
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
29856 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 7:41 pm to
Only 2 losing seasons in 33 years of being a HC.

That's freaking SOLID
Posted by wilceaux
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2004
12994 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 7:41 pm to
quote:

ND playing a weak schedule is one of the most ridiculous false narratives that is constantly perpetuated across CFB fans


It's a good way to identify the casuals.
Posted by how333
Member since Dec 2020
3972 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:46 pm to
Wasn’t he supposed to win?
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
22869 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 10:17 pm to
quote:

I'll admit I didn't realize BYU was at a neutral site (in Vegas)
Holy shite, Catholics vs Mormons in Sin City???
How the hell did they get THAT lineup?

And about Kelly winning the games he's favored in- you can't complain about Notre Dame's schedule with that stat. LSU lost at home to Troy. LSU lost to UCLA, Miss State, Mizzou. Those are games we should write in as W's in ink.

It appears once Kelly gets his system in place (and it might take a year), he won't lose those games.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
36358 posts
Posted on 8/18/22 at 8:27 am to
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That's a joke. They have 2 tough opponents in Ohio State & Clemson.
How many teams do you think have 2 teams favored to make the CFP on their schedule?
Posted by michael corleone
baton rouge
Member since Jun 2005
6434 posts
Posted on 8/18/22 at 8:35 am to
UCLA was not a better team last year. Auburn was not a better team last year. In 2020, MSU was not a better team. In 2020, Mizzu was not a better team. In 2020, Auburn was not a better team.

In 2016, Wisky was not a better team. In 2016, Auburn was not a better team. In 2015, Arkansas was not a better team.
Posted by lsufb1912
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2021
5965 posts
Posted on 8/18/22 at 8:40 am to
quote:

ND playing a weak schedule is one of the most ridiculous false narratives that is constantly perpetuated across CFB fans


Look at their schedule last year or in years past. Yes, they have a tougher schedule this year. How many times in the past 10 have they played Ohio State or Clemson in regular season? zero?

It's absolutely a real narrative & one of the main reasons BK left for the SEC (after going 11-1 in reg season and still missing the CFP).
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
65155 posts
Posted on 8/18/22 at 8:42 am to
What about games he wasn’t supposed to win? That’s an equally important stat.
Posted by lsufb1912
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2021
5965 posts
Posted on 8/18/22 at 8:43 am to
Take this "40 of 41 games as a favorite" stat.

I may be off by a few games (not sure how to look up odds for past games), but I believe Notre Dame was the favorite in 41 out of BK's last 50 games at Notre Dame.

Only 2 ways that can happen - either you're the best team in college football or you have a weak schedule.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
88474 posts
Posted on 8/18/22 at 8:44 am to
quote:

How many teams do you think have 2 teams favored to make the CFP on their schedule?



how many teams are there in the SEC?
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
34099 posts
Posted on 8/18/22 at 8:58 am to
I think there are probably going to be a bit more growing pains this year that some might expect. That could be easier to overcome in other conferences. Not the SEC West. O didn't leave the cupboard bare. But this probably isn't one of the most individually talented LSU teams over the last 2 decades. Or at least deep. There was a reason Kelly felt compelled to bring in 15 transfers. With a completely new staff and many new faces, there are going to be spots where things just do go well.

Still, I think the key to an 8 win season is the FSU game. If LSU beats FSU they only have to go 4-4 in the SEC to get 8 wins. That is doable. Losing to FSU means LSU will have to go 5-3 in the league to hit that mark. That is a tougher task. Especially considering (a) essentially every team in the SEC West is expected to have a winning season; (b) LSU gets arguably the second best team in the East (Tennessee) on the rotating schedule; and (c) "Even" years generally present a tougher schedule. Yes, Florida and Auburn have their own issues...but those aren't "easy" places to play. A&M isn't an easy place to play either (though I think they may be overrated this year). And LSU rarely seems to play well in Arkansas when Arkansas actually has a pulse.

Personally, I think LSU hits (at least) 8 wins. But I wouldn't be floored if they struggle a bit in year 1 of Kelly...even though the long-term outlook is great.
Posted by lsufb1912
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2021
5965 posts
Posted on 8/18/22 at 9:06 am to
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Still, I think the key to an 8 win season is the FSU game.


Absolutely. So, take his 40 of 41 games as a favorite stat.

If LSU beats FSU (they should, as the favorite), then they are probably the favorite in 7 or 8 more games this season.

If LSU somehow loses the opening game, they're probably a favorite in only 5 or 6 more games. So BK would have to win 2 or 3 games as an underdog to get to 7+ wins.
Posted by Toki Wartooth
Mordhaus
Member since Mar 2019
956 posts
Posted on 8/18/22 at 11:18 am to
quote:

LSU isn't even ranked, which should tell us that no one is that impressed with Kelly.


This has nothing to do with Kelly. It has everything to do with Orgeron leaving LSU in ashes. LSU will be ranked after the first or second game.
Posted by bignic26
West Monroe
Member since Jul 2013
872 posts
Posted on 8/18/22 at 11:54 am to
quote:

Ohio State
UNC
BYU
Clemson
USC

are not cupcakes

Stanford, BC, and Navy probably play them tough as well



Yeah I've never understood the narrative about Notre Dame playing cupcakes every year. Pick any year and you'll see a schedule made up almost entirely by name brand schools. Very few Directional State Universities in there. Their schedule is a mix between ACC, Big Ten, and PAC 10. Sometimes the teams they usually play are riding high and sometimes they aren't. But you can only beat the team in front of you. It's not a SEC schedule but it's not a cupcake schedule either.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
36358 posts
Posted on 8/18/22 at 12:28 pm to
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how many teams are there in the SEC?

Every team in the SEC has both Alabama and Georgia on their schedule?

And even if the answer would be all SEC teams, then that would still put ND at 15th at worst in regards to strength of schedule.
Posted by studentsect
Member since Jan 2004
2295 posts
Posted on 8/18/22 at 1:11 pm to
Little more context:

In the last 5 years, Brian Kelly's Notre Dame had 20 games against ranked opponents, and he went 11-9.

While not a perfect proxy for determining a "favorite", Notre Dame had a better ranking than their opponent in 11 of those games and went 8-3 in those games, and they went 3-6 in the 9 games where they were an underdog based on rankings.

The three losses as favorite were against #7 Miami and #20 Stanford in 2017 and against Clemson in the ACC Championship Game in 2020 (ND was actually a 10 point dog in that game, but I'm going by rankings here).

The 6 losses as underdog were against UGA twice (2017 and 2019), against #19 Michigan in 2019, against Cincinnati last year, and then twice in the Playoffs (against Clemson and Alabama).

Here are the 8 wins as a favorite:
(11) USC
(14) North Carolina State
(16) LSU
(24) Virginia Tech
(12) Syracuse
(18) Virginia
(21) Navy
(18) Wisconsin

Here are the 3 wins as an underdog:
(11) USC
(7) Stanford
(1) Clemson

There were zero losses for Kelly against unranked teams in the last 5 seasons.
This post was edited on 8/18/22 at 1:14 pm
Posted by LSUminati
Member since Jan 2017
4038 posts
Posted on 8/18/22 at 1:16 pm to
Kelly's resume is indicative of a coach that will perform to the level of his talent 99% of the time and on rare occasions over that level. That is good, he will have top 3-5 talent yearly at LSU.
This post was edited on 8/18/22 at 1:16 pm
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