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re: Kelly getting to the SEC Championship year 1 was the worst possible thing for this fanbase
Posted on 11/5/23 at 5:46 pm to DBG
Posted on 11/5/23 at 5:46 pm to DBG
I’m asking when fans can make judgements on if things are going good or not. I’m not calling for Kelly to be fired. That would be dumb, it’s not happening anytime soon. But when can fans look at the overall results of games being played and recruiting and be somewhat upset with what they are seeing?
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Posted on 11/5/23 at 5:51 pm to DBG
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The point is the expectations for 2023 were through the roof and going into year 2 of an organizational and roster overhaul was way too soon to judge the trajectory of the program.
If they both aligned, great. If not, let’s let it play out more. Either way, I’m not making any sweeping judgements.
Completely agree. Although losing to Alabama the way we did last night leaves a bad taste, this is only year two of the rebuild. If we finish 10-3 this season, that would be two straight ten win seasons, following two .500 seasons. I'm good with that.
Posted on 11/5/23 at 5:51 pm to LSBoosie
For me, after 3 full recruiting classes. So for Kelly, that would be the 2025 class/season.
Posted on 11/5/23 at 5:59 pm to Lester Earl
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It doesn’t take a genius to realize why it hasn’t been linear. It’s not that hard
No position on the field took a harder hit after 2021 than cornerback, and safety wasn't far behind.
We hit big on transfers in the secondary last year. This year was mostly misses, but some of the transfers we got may still be able to help next year.
Posted on 11/5/23 at 5:59 pm to Raz
The expectations are for championships. No?
Posted on 11/5/23 at 6:02 pm to LSBoosie
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recruiting
What's wrong with recruiting?
He's got a 3rd straight top 10 class coming in when it's a weak year for Louisiana talent.
Posted on 11/5/23 at 6:03 pm to geauxtigers87
I said that same thing but CBK told us fans they were 2-3 yrs from competing with Bama and UGA yr in yr out but we didn’t listen because he won SEC West last yr, blame ourselves for our expectations not being met but his expectations are still on schedule
Posted on 11/5/23 at 6:04 pm to White Tiger
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The expectations are for championships. No?
Were they? The excuse making about how Kelly has to "completely rebuild everything from scratch" because O left the program in "absolute tatters" was pretty widespread.
Expecting championships seems like more of a long term goal to me. I don't recall anyone saying "I expect us to win the SEC this year," for example.
Posted on 11/5/23 at 6:12 pm to Raz
Are you being sarcastic? Cannot tell.
Posted on 11/5/23 at 6:26 pm to White Tiger
I don’t think most ar upset with Kelly over losing to Bama and possibly going 8-4 or 9-3.
I think people are frustrated with the state of the defense, and how epically bad it is. It doesn’t leave a positive feeling when you realize the holes that exist, and then look at recruiting so far.
CBs are thin in the class and we may lose our remaining top tier talent in the class there. DT is a major hole moving forward and we missed out on an in state talent, even if he is a bust.
There is not much looking positive for the defense moving forward and his continual overprotection of House has been awful and turned off a lot of people. He refuses any criticism of the guy.
In the end, Kelly has a lot of advantages that others didn’t have with rebuilds in the past. Free transfers, no class size limits, and more are huge advantages over what others have had to face, so while he did come into a bad situation, it was not near as bad as others.
I think people are frustrated with the state of the defense, and how epically bad it is. It doesn’t leave a positive feeling when you realize the holes that exist, and then look at recruiting so far.
CBs are thin in the class and we may lose our remaining top tier talent in the class there. DT is a major hole moving forward and we missed out on an in state talent, even if he is a bust.
There is not much looking positive for the defense moving forward and his continual overprotection of House has been awful and turned off a lot of people. He refuses any criticism of the guy.
In the end, Kelly has a lot of advantages that others didn’t have with rebuilds in the past. Free transfers, no class size limits, and more are huge advantages over what others have had to face, so while he did come into a bad situation, it was not near as bad as others.
Posted on 11/5/23 at 6:58 pm to Geauxgurt
House is this year's Polian. He needs to go. The quesiton is when prior to next year.
Posted on 11/5/23 at 7:06 pm to wadewilson
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What's wrong with recruiting?
How do you think the defensive line played last night against one of the worst offensive lines in the country? And how many interior defensive linemen do you think we have committed?
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He's got a 3rd straight top 10 class coming in when it's a weak year for Louisiana talent.
You’re crediting the past 3 classes to Brian Kelly?
Posted on 11/5/23 at 7:16 pm to LSBoosie
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How do you think the defensive line played last night against one of the worst offensive lines in the country?
I asked about recruiting.
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And how many interior defensive linemen do you think we have committed?
We don't have a defensive line coach. What do you expect?
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You’re crediting the past 3 classes to Brian Kelly?
Well, he is the head coach.
2022 - 7
2023 - 5
2024 - 10
So again, what's wrong with recruiting?
Posted on 11/5/23 at 7:31 pm to wadewilson
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I asked about recruiting.
The current state of the team has a direct impact on what is considered a good recruiting class.
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We don't have a defensive line coach. What do you expect?
You asked what was wrong with recruiting. I just answered your question. I’ll throw in that we just had a highly ranked DB flip to Georgia and another that is likely going to flip to Tennessee.
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2022 - 7
2023 - 5
2024 - 10
You should re look at the rankings. Also a top 10 class is expected at LSU. Hell he was able to do that at ND. A place where he supposedly didn’t have enough talent because of the recruiting disadvantages.
Posted on 11/5/23 at 7:56 pm to LSBoosie
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The current state of the team has a direct impact on what is considered a good recruiting class.
That's just not rational.
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You asked what was wrong with recruiting. I just answered your question. I’ll throw in that we just had a highly ranked DB flip to Georgia and another that is likely going to flip to Tennessee.
He hasn't flipped yet.
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You should re look at the rankings.
I did. 247 still shows those same rankings.
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Also a top 10 class is expected at LSU.
Why? Saban, Miles and Orgeron all had multiple classes outside the top 10. If anything, Kelly's recruiting is trending better than theirs.
Yes, we need to recruit better at tackle. The turnaround at DL coach is a direct cause of failures there.
We're recruiting very well everywhere else.
Posted on 11/5/23 at 8:00 pm to wadewilson
One of my favorite parts about recruiting is the premature melt about potential decommits. If we’re going to pre-melt about Cai Bates, then I’m going to pre-celebrate Terry Bussey.
Posted on 11/5/23 at 8:44 pm to DBG
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For me, after 3 full recruiting classes. So for Kelly, that would be the 2025 class/season.
He gets a free pass from you until year 4?
Posted on 11/5/23 at 8:57 pm to wadewilson
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That's just not rational.
Huh? That’s the basics of recruiting. You recruit to the needs of your team.
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He hasn't flipped yet.
That’s fair. If he flips then we can readderess.
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I did. 247 still shows those same rankings.
I guess I’m using On3 which is basically taking over 247 as the national recruiting site.
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Why? Saban, Miles and Orgeron all had multiple classes outside the top 10. If anything, Kelly's recruiting is trending better than theirs.
LSU has had 2 classes ranked outside of the top 10 since 2010. That’s why it’s expected.
Posted on 11/5/23 at 9:16 pm to geauxtigers87
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Kelly getting to the SEC Championship year 1 was the worst possible thing for this fanbase
A coach that does not defend their kids is as good as a thug.
This post was edited on 11/5/23 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 11/5/23 at 10:03 pm to LSBoosie
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I guess I’m using On3 which is basically taking over 247 as the national recruiting site.
I think On3 made an adjustment, seeing as some of those transfers are in the NFL now.
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