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re: Justice Hill to the Portal
Posted on 3/22/23 at 10:30 am to tygerphan
Posted on 3/22/23 at 10:30 am to tygerphan
McNeese is a pretty pathetic basketball program.
- They havent made the NCAAT since 2002
- They havent had a winning season since 2011-12, either overall or in conference...in 2011-12 they finished 17-16 overall and 10-6 in Southland play
- In 7 of the last 8 seasons they havent even been CLOSE to having a winning record overall, the closest being 15-17 in 2019-20; outside of that next best is 10-14 in 20-21 covid season then a 12-17 finish in 2017-18
It's a very very very bad program. But I have little doubt Wade will change that. The guy will increase talent tremendously through the portal right away, I'm sure he'll bring in 1-2 of his former LSU guys to establish culture there...Wilkinson, Justice Williams, Miller or someone who ran off somewhere else as well.
No idea if he'll ever make the tournament or not there, he could be there only 2-3 years max, but I bet we see a pretty nice increase from 11-23 and 11-22 overall with 6-12 and 4-10 conference finishes. The Southland is a terrible mid-major conference right now. Only 3 of the 10 teams finished with a winning record overall this season and one of them went 15-14. Only 1 of the 10 teams managed to finish in Top 200 of the NET which was the team sent to be slaughtered by Bama in 1st round of NCAAT in A&M-CC. 6 of the 10 teams finished in the 300s in the NET. The conference was ranked BELOW the MEAC which is just hilarious.
There's certainly opportunity there for Wade to make a name for himself again as people will care less and less about any transgressions in a few years probably. Lots of people move on pretty quick if you're winning.
- They havent made the NCAAT since 2002
- They havent had a winning season since 2011-12, either overall or in conference...in 2011-12 they finished 17-16 overall and 10-6 in Southland play
- In 7 of the last 8 seasons they havent even been CLOSE to having a winning record overall, the closest being 15-17 in 2019-20; outside of that next best is 10-14 in 20-21 covid season then a 12-17 finish in 2017-18
It's a very very very bad program. But I have little doubt Wade will change that. The guy will increase talent tremendously through the portal right away, I'm sure he'll bring in 1-2 of his former LSU guys to establish culture there...Wilkinson, Justice Williams, Miller or someone who ran off somewhere else as well.
No idea if he'll ever make the tournament or not there, he could be there only 2-3 years max, but I bet we see a pretty nice increase from 11-23 and 11-22 overall with 6-12 and 4-10 conference finishes. The Southland is a terrible mid-major conference right now. Only 3 of the 10 teams finished with a winning record overall this season and one of them went 15-14. Only 1 of the 10 teams managed to finish in Top 200 of the NET which was the team sent to be slaughtered by Bama in 1st round of NCAAT in A&M-CC. 6 of the 10 teams finished in the 300s in the NET. The conference was ranked BELOW the MEAC which is just hilarious.
There's certainly opportunity there for Wade to make a name for himself again as people will care less and less about any transgressions in a few years probably. Lots of people move on pretty quick if you're winning.
This post was edited on 3/22/23 at 10:34 am
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Posted on 3/22/23 at 10:32 am to tygerphan
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For McNeese to make the NCAA tournament, they'll have to win their conference tournament. Since 1981, McNeese has done that twice (most recently in 2002).
Also pretty sure Will Wade has never won a conference tournament.
To say he'll bring them to the NCAA tournament is the definition of a long shot.
McNeese will be hosting upcoming conference tournament(s). So its actually not that much of a long shot.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 10:33 am to GoldenBoy
Players can transfer more than once for no particular reason? Really asking, dont know the transfer rules.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 10:36 am to GoldenBoy
Good riddance.
The team is instantly better with him gone.
The team is instantly better with him gone.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 10:43 am to Texastiger43
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Players can transfer more than once for no particular reason? Really asking, dont know the transfer rules.
It's as much of a guess as anyones. Supposedly you can only transfer once for "free" - no waiver needed. But plent yof guys have already transferred twice and been eligble right away despite not being a graduate or something 2nd time, they must have all gotten waivers in that instance.
The 1 time free transfer doesnt apply if you're a grad transfer as that's separate. So in Hill's case he should be graduating from here to use up the grad transfer on top of the 1 time transfer he used to get here. Could be the other way around as well where he graduated at Murray St, transferred here as a grad transfer and now is using his 1 time free transfer to transfer out.
This post was edited on 3/22/23 at 10:46 am
Posted on 3/22/23 at 10:44 am to Texastiger43
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Players can transfer more than once for no particular reason? Really asking, dont know the transfer rules.
Only if they are a grad transfer. Otherwise, they would have to sit out a year.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 10:53 am to thunderbird1100
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But plent yof guys have already transferred twice and been eligble right away despite not being a graduate or something 2nd time, they must have all gotten waivers in that instance.
They did. Tre Hannibal had to get a waiver to be able to play at LSU this season since it was his second transfer. South Carolina > Murray St > LSU. In years prior the NCAA pretty much rubber stamped waivers for guys who transferred because their coach at their current school left (again, see Hannibal getting waiver because McMahon left Murray St.) However, the NCAA said earlier this year they are severely tightening the criteria for which they will grant a waiver. It is TBD to see if they follow through with that.
Grad transfers are still free to go anywhere. Even if they have already transferred once.
The above is why even though we assume LSU's roster will be completely overhauled, it may not be. Miller, Hannibal, Fountain, Hayes, Coleman have all transferred once. If going to another school and sitting out a season is their only option, they may choose to remain at LSU.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 10:54 am to JR Hamilsbach
"It would be a very Machiavellian meta move for Wade to recruit Hill, McMahon’s own player who had a falling out with his coach during the dumpster fire basketball season last year, from LSU and make him better thus further making LSU AD look like imbeciles. It sure would be interesting if Hill went to McNeese."
LOL. So wait. You are saying Hill would be a better player in the Southland Conference for Wade than in the SEC for Mcmahon? And somehow that would mean he's a better coach. It's the Southland Conference.LOL. Duh.
LOL. So wait. You are saying Hill would be a better player in the Southland Conference for Wade than in the SEC for Mcmahon? And somehow that would mean he's a better coach. It's the Southland Conference.LOL. Duh.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 10:58 am to Alt26
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Miller, Hannibal, Fountain, Hayes, Coleman have all transferred once. If going to another school and sitting out a season is their only option, they may choose to remain at LSU.
Outside of Coleman we could use all those guys next year in some capacity at least.
Although I still wonder WTF happened with Coleman becuase he was a VERY solid big man at NWST and completely disappeared here. How do you go from averaging 15/10 a game to doing absolutely nothing?
And before anyone says "Southland vs. SEC" - he was MIA for more than half our joke of an OOC schedule as well. At NWST he put up 19 points and 6 boards on OU his last year there as well as a 16/13 game against us...
Just an awful coaching job by McMahon there
This post was edited on 3/22/23 at 11:01 am
Posted on 3/22/23 at 11:01 am to mcspufftiger7
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LOL. So wait. You are saying Hill would be a better player in the Southland Conference for Wade than in the SEC for Mcmahon? And somehow that would mean he's a better coach. It's the Southland Conference.LOL. Duh.
No. I’m saying that from a most interesting outcome scenario and if Wade is out for blood for his firing and is on a revenge tour against LSU AD, Hill to McNeese would be lol entertaining. I’m not making any judgments on coaching or conferences.
If you can’t figure out how to use the quote function on a message board, you might want to sit this one out. Probably would be wise to look up Machiavelli too to understand my post.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 11:12 am to mcspufftiger7
Right, we played 1 Southland team (UNO) and beat them 91-62
Those teams are the kind of teams where we put them on the schedule and people complain that we aren’t preparing enough for the SEC.
Those teams are the kind of teams where we put them on the schedule and people complain that we aren’t preparing enough for the SEC.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 11:12 am to thunderbird1100
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McNeese is a pretty pathetic basketball program.
Yeah, in a decent league.
But Wade and Lake Chuck have tons to offer...
Posted on 3/22/23 at 11:16 am to Lakeboy7
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Yeah, in a decent league.
Not really.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 11:18 am to thunderbird1100
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Outside of Coleman we could use all those guys next year in some capacity at least.
Although I still wonder WTF happened with Coleman becuase he was a VERY solid big man at NWST and completely disappeared here. How do you go from averaging 15/10 a game to doing absolutely nothing?
And before anyone says "Southland vs. SEC" - he was MIA for more than half our joke of an OOC schedule as well. At NWST he put up 19 points and 6 boards on OU his last year there as well as a 16/13 game against us...
Just an awful coaching job by McMahon there
The thing that stands out in his stats are his fouls. His Per 40 minutes went from 2.9 fouls last season to 6.4 this year.
This post was edited on 3/22/23 at 11:29 am
Posted on 3/22/23 at 11:19 am to thunderbird1100
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Although I still wonder WTF happened with Coleman becuase he was a VERY solid big man at NWST and completely disappeared here. How do you go from averaging 15/10 a game to doing absolutely nothing?
And before anyone says "Southland vs. SEC" - he was MIA for more than half our joke of an OOC schedule as well. At NWST he put up 19 points and 6 boards on OU his last year there as well as a 16/13 game against us...
NWST played at a very fast tempo which equals more possessions. More possession = more opportunities to score and rebound. Point being, raw numbers don't always paint. That said, he was still a pretty efficient scorer and rebounder there. Unfortunately, he has very little range away from the basket. In today's game many bigs are expected to score (to some degree) from the perimeter. He can't, and the frontcourt size in the SEC can mitigate any size/strength advantage he may have had at the lower level.
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Just an awful coaching job by McMahon there
I still don't quite know what approach McMahon was taking with this teams style of play. He said in his introductory press conference he thought it was dumb teams played grind it out, half court, low possession games, and that there would be no 48-46 games. Yet, that is pretty much what LSU did this year offensively. He tried to go uptempo to start and LSU turned the ball over a lot. He then started to slow things down to a crawl. The turnovers significantly decreased (good) but so did the scoring. LSU executed brilliantly vs. Kentucky...then never did so again. More concerning is McMahon never altered his offensive approach again when it was clearly not working.
Defensively, they were just terrible in SEC play.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 11:43 am to Lakeboy7
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Yeah, in a decent league.
After the “decent” teams left a year or so ago, the Southland conference is literally ranked the worst d1 basketball conference in the country.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 11:56 am to Tiger1988
quote:This thinking is so distorted that it if comical.
I hope he SMACKS LSU when he coaches against them.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 12:07 pm to Tiger1988
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Are you a McMahon Fan Boy?
Talk about fan boys, lol! What a little bitch!
Posted on 3/22/23 at 12:34 pm to Alt26
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e said in his introductory press conference he thought it was dumb teams played grind it out, half court, low possession games, and that there would be no 48-46 games. Yet, that is pretty much what LSU did this year offensively. He tried to go uptempo to start and LSU turned the ball over a lot. He then started to slow things down to a crawl. The turnovers significantly decreased (good) but so did the scoring. LSU executed brilliantly vs. Kentucky...then never did so again
Totally agree Alt and defensively he stuck with a just try to stay in front man about 80% of the time, he'd occassionally switch to zone until the other team figured that out and he'd go back to the man.
Very, very rarely did anything like pressure (full, 3/4 or half court) trap, hard hedge on screens, hard post doubles, anything that might lead to some quick turnovers and maybe some early/easy offense of said turnovers. Never really even tried it. That frustrated me.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 12:38 pm to tygerphan
quote:Why do you think this is hilarious? Is it because you think WW is a bad coach or because you don't think McNeese can get in the tournament?
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when he gets McNeese to the tournament
Hilarious
If it's the latter then you may not know that McNeese will get an automatic bid by winning the Southland Conference tournament.
If WW brings McNeese to a 1 or 2 seed Southland Conference tournament through regular season play then he would only have to win 2 games and be the conference tournament winner.
Also, with McNeese's new arena they are contracted out to host that tournament for the next several years.
Nothing is a given, but McNeese has a MUCH easier path to March Madness than LSU does.
This post was edited on 3/22/23 at 12:43 pm
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