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re: Just read through some of the e-mails released re: coaching search (sorry, long)
Posted on 12/9/15 at 10:32 am to purpleandgoldhaze
Posted on 12/9/15 at 10:32 am to purpleandgoldhaze
Why is LSU and The Advocate even publishing this? What possible purpose does this serve?
For those who want Miles gone and think this helps, let me ask you- would you want to come here, knowing your job status can and will be discussed openly by the AD, Board of Supervisors, etc, in the newpaper? Are you going to buy "oh we won't do this to you, just Miles" as the answer?
I wouldn't want to come here as the coach. A young, hungry guy wants to step into a program that's solid from the inside out, not one that is being torn apart from the administrative side of things.
For those who want Miles gone and think this helps, let me ask you- would you want to come here, knowing your job status can and will be discussed openly by the AD, Board of Supervisors, etc, in the newpaper? Are you going to buy "oh we won't do this to you, just Miles" as the answer?
I wouldn't want to come here as the coach. A young, hungry guy wants to step into a program that's solid from the inside out, not one that is being torn apart from the administrative side of things.
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Posted on 12/9/15 at 10:35 am to 19
All of this shows the difference between a top down initiative (like Georgia) and a bottom up initiative (LSU)
In the top down, the person in power makes a decision and people go out and execute it
In the bottom up, the AD has to explain and convince decision makers and then has Alexander pull the rug out from under him. If King was on board from the beginning none of this would have happened
In the top down, the person in power makes a decision and people go out and execute it
In the bottom up, the AD has to explain and convince decision makers and then has Alexander pull the rug out from under him. If King was on board from the beginning none of this would have happened
Posted on 12/9/15 at 10:44 am to cas4t
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Hopefully they learned a valuable lesson. If Miles under performs next year, handle it with a little more professionalism and don't let leaks happen. But I think we all know at this point that if Miles is sitting on 2-3 losses, the media will grab this up in a heartbeat and we will be back on the rumor train again. LSU should have ripped the band aid off IMO.
Yep.
LSU has been shite on moreso if they would have just fired him and got it over with. Alleva and company probably thought, "we're giving everybody what they want" and LSU still got blasted. Lose/lose situation.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 10:45 am to supatigah
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All of this shows the difference between a top down initiative (like Georgia) and a bottom up initiative (LSU)
In the top down, the person in power makes a decision and people go out and execute it
In the bottom up, the AD has to explain and convince decision makers and then has Alexander pull the rug out from under him. If King was on board from the beginning none of this would have happened
Brilliant post.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 10:46 am to KiwiHead
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This seems to be a case of where social media went out of control and the board including Alexander and Alleva were reacting to a lot of conjecture and sensationalism in the press.
Seems like Joe wanted to begin getting his ducks in a row if it was determined by the powers that be that a change was needed. Seems like a reasonable thought process. 8 L's in 2 seasons at LSU after our last 16 yrs. of football has to be addressed.
I don't think that means Miles was gonna be fired or that Jimbo was on his way to LSU. Frankly, I feel that was little more than wishful thinking by some.
Then, a leak of something by someone took place to someone in the media and it got run with. Pretty much par for the course in todays 24-7 need for info. Be it true info. or not.
The idea a coach needs to be let go cause a story came out that LSU was thinking bout the direction of their football program is laughable. 8 L's in LSU football in 2 yrs. requires discussion by those who manage the LSU football program. That shouldn't be a surprise to anyone including Miles.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 10:46 am to Scoob
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Why is LSU and The Advocate even publishing this? What possible purpose does this serve?
They did not. This was all a result of WVUE in NOLA filing a FOIA request to emails that were on the LSU system server regarding this matter.
Do you think the Advocate would let this stuff out....no because they would find that Rabalais made up a lot of this story.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 10:46 am to purpleandgoldhaze
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I didn't agree with the decision not to retain Miles, but once that decision was made, it should have been executed 100%. The absolute worst thing you can do as a leader is vacillate on a key, controversial change.
Agreed (though I thought it probably was time for a change).
The funny thing is that the way it worked out - the reaction of the fans and the players provided such an iconic moment, really a series of them - from Miles doffing his cap to the cheers of the crowd to the players carrying him off. I'd say very few coaches get those kind of moments. And I doubt Miles ever gets anything close to that again whether he is fired after a year or resigns down the road having won one or more additional NC's or anything in between.
But the abrupt announcement after the game that he was not being let go, while it didn't erase those moments, certainly tainted them and made them kind of meaningless.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 11:21 am to BeeFense5
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Anyone that believed the "negotiations" were any where close to the done deal bull shite people were peddling on here deserve to be laughed at.
Nothing came out of FSU on this. If there were serious talks, there would have been something that came out.
Hey, the Village Idiot got loose again.
Whose turn was it to watch him this time?
Posted on 12/9/15 at 11:23 am to purpleandgoldhaze
Alexander, Alleva and his lieutenants, and the BOS need to take a lesson from Uncle Earl K. Long:
1) Don't write anything you can talk.
2) Don't talk anything you can phone.
3) Don't phone anything you can nod.
4) Don't nod anything you can wink.
1) Don't write anything you can talk.
2) Don't talk anything you can phone.
3) Don't phone anything you can nod.
4) Don't nod anything you can wink.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 11:48 am to purpleandgoldhaze
What a cluster.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 11:51 am to purpleandgoldhaze
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our stellar recruiting season was killed by the actions of LSU's leadership
No, it wasn't. Two decommits, one before the season and another that was in the works even before the Alabama game. To the extent that the recruiting class is being "killed", it's because Franks knows we don't develop QBs and Moses(?) was lured away by Alabama. If we had a clue about developing QBs, we'd still have Franks, and if we were still a top-tier program, we'd still be able to compete with Alabama for a recruit that is going to school on our own fricking campus. Those problems are on Miles, not the admins.
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Miles has been legitimately hindered from doing his job to the best of his ability
What would he have done going forward that he can't do now? Another disappointing season and the shitty bowl that goes with it are still right there for the taking next year just like they would have been if none of this had happened.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 11:54 am to Nuts4LSU
Joe A needs to make sure King in on board next time before he makes attempts a big moves like this
Posted on 12/9/15 at 11:58 am to dgnx6
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Gone are the days that an old retired coach is named an AD.
The AD is really just a CEO type position, they don't need to be savvy in these areas, just knowledgeable enough to know to hire competent media/social media personnel and listen to them.
And, for the record, I am about to turn 54 and reasonable keep up with trends simply because I work in a high tech field and it seems to be part and parcel of what people in high tech fields gravitate toward.
If they put the right people in place to monitor/guide their hand in this realm, the whole debacle can generate some good fruit in the end.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 12:08 pm to timlan2057
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1) Don't write anything you can talk.
2) Don't talk anything you can phone.
3) Don't phone anything you can nod.
4) Don't nod anything you can wink.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 12:29 pm to BeeFense5
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Anyone that believed the "negotiations" were any where close to the done deal
I haven't seen anything by anyone which suggested LSU was in ""negotiations" with anyone. I have seen where Joe plainly said no negotiations took place.
Why some continue to buy into this idea LSU and Jimbo were in "negotiations" is beyond me.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 12:33 pm to Lonnie4LSU
What really struck me in this whole thing was how disorganized the Board of Supervisors were in their decision making process. If you want to blame anyone, blame them and whoever the Chairman is. It doesn't even look like they set up a conference call to talk.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 12:39 pm to purpleandgoldhaze
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The lesson learned here is how rapid and vicious the 24 hour news cycle and the social media impact is on matters like this. We can learn from this and be better prepared in future. I will say , that most of the feedback I have received from fans sounds like this " it was probably the right decision to keep Les - but I sure hope he was given the message that the program has problems that need addressing This my friends was one of the most fluid, complex, confusing situations I have ever seen [sic].
If that doesnt get Miles attention, then nothing will, he should be given an ultimatum, update the offense and get creative or be shown the door... He may get lucky with everyone else losing so much next year except Auburn and TAMU... He will have a favorable schedule and a seasoned group. If he does win it all, no extension should be given unless it lowers the buyout, he is signed through 2019. if he wants to go somewhere else, let his arse walk, he has shown too many times he will get complacent, have a short list of coaches to call in your right chest pocket Alleva...Best thing he can do for his legacy is to win the NT next year and then retire with a good hire in place, if he does that he could run for fricking Governor and win.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 12:48 pm to supatigah
And that bottom was leaking BS to drum up support from fans and media.
It backfired. If the leaks don't come out then we have a coach search going on right now. It certainly appears that there was no successor locked up.
This administration needs a serious arse kicking for this shite show.
It backfired. If the leaks don't come out then we have a coach search going on right now. It certainly appears that there was no successor locked up.
This administration needs a serious arse kicking for this shite show.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 12:51 pm to monsterballads
Well, they knew not to communicate through emails
Posted on 12/9/15 at 1:07 pm to TigerFan55555
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he should be given an ultimatum, update the offense and get creative or be shown the door...
This what I don't understand from our fan base. I do not want anyone telling Les how to coach or "fix" anything. Les should be simply told that his job is on the line. He can either figure out a way to fix it or he will be replaced.
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