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re: Johnny Jones did not miss those FTs

Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:49 pm to
Posted by geaux86
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:49 pm to
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They play with no strategy


So a 16 point lead is luck and not making free throws and field goals is a strategy? Give me your name and number so I can hire you.
Posted by cas4t
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:49 pm to
what the actual frick
Posted by WylieTiger
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:49 pm to
We had 62 points with 9 minutes left and finished with 65!
Posted by gadknot
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:49 pm to
+1

Although I disagree that Mickey lost the game, they all lost the game
Posted by Tiger in NY
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:50 pm to
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Guards are supposed to knock down FTs


In years where you win NCAA games, your guards make FTs. In years they don't, you lose. My point is, coaches (even the great ones) are hit and miss on recruiting mental toughness. You just can't identify it in college. All you can do is recruit the best talent you can, but that doesn't always mean they will be "winners" in the college game.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:50 pm to
martin was durant'ing it up
Posted by Jones
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:50 pm to
That stuff and not driving to the hole the last 8 minutes of the game.

We deserved to lose the game
Posted by Prominentwon
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:51 pm to
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I'll bet it's not nearly enough.



This is always my favorite rant...

Everyone absolutely knows every detail about every practice no matter what sport.
This post was edited on 3/19/15 at 10:51 pm
Posted by bgtiger
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:51 pm to
Poor point, SFP.

He is a guard. Make free throws.

I'll agree that there are numerous other reasons why we lost this game, but that was a huge moment.

It's a game changer when a guard bricks FTs late in a game. I know you know this, but this is why teams on the comeback trail usually lose momentum when they screw up and foul a guard late in a game.

Knock down the uncontested free shot,shooter, and we win the game.

Almost triple doubles are awesome... When you put the icing on your team winning.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:52 pm to
he didn't lose it alone, but he had a REALLY bad stretch at the end of that game (including the final shot)
Posted by Tiger in NY
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:52 pm to
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Quarterman was like 2 rebounds and 3 assists away from a triple double.


I think he was 16/9/8
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:52 pm to
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Johnny Jones did not miss those FTs by SlowFlowPro


He recruited and coached the players who did. Any player can be a good free throw shooter. All he needs is a little bit of coaching on how to mentally discipline himself and do it. No good coach has teams that suck at free throw shooting. It takes about an hour or less of coaching time and then many hours of individual practice by the player. If a coach isn't smart enough or motivated enough to spare that hour or motivate a player to put in that practice, he loses by one point in the first game of the tournament because his uncoached, undisciplined team shot 1 for 7 from the FT line in the final minutes. That's Johnny Jones.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:54 pm to
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He is a guard. Make free throws

some guards suck at shooting...even FTs

i don't think any metric judges a player solely by FTs

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Almost triple doubles are awesome... When you put the icing on your team winning.


no

almost triple doubles are always awesome, even if you're blown out
Posted by Jones
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:54 pm to
Wow man. I'm pouring another beer after reading that
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28286 posts
Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:55 pm to
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martin not being fed the ball down the stretch will get lost in the missed ft/fg discussion



He hides from the ball. Period. I can't rember the last game (if there is one) where he was big in crunch time. This was UK 2.0. Seemingly the best player on the court for 33 minutes who then reduces himself to literally being just a "screener" for the final 7 minutes.

Again, this all goes back to this team's biggest problem from Game 1. They have no situational awareness, none
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:55 pm to
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He is a guard. Make free throws.


This is true for all players, but especially guards. A coach who has guards shooting under 70-75% from the FT line is either a terrible recruiter, a terrible motivator or flat-out doesn't give a shite. Jones seems to fit one or two of those.
Posted by gadknot
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:55 pm to
Well Mickey is obviously dealing with some sort of physical issue not to excuse missing free throws but quarterman missed some too. Hornsby was almost non existent. They all share the blame
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:55 pm to
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He recruited and coached the players who did.

and these guys got LSU to the tourney, when the last grouping could not

quote:

Any player can be a good free throw shooter.

that is actually not true. some big men don't have the coordination, especially with their hands

FTs are on the individual, both in prep, growth, and execution.
Posted by Tiger in NY
Neptune Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2003
30359 posts
Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:56 pm to
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they have no offense did you watch the game all they do is a clear out for someone on top of the key it's sickening to watch.


that is an offense. Jim Calhoun won 4 national titles running exactly that, with an added dominant big man. It is exactly the model the entire NBA uses too.
Posted by Tiger in NY
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Member since Sep 2003
30359 posts
Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:57 pm to
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gadknot


I thought you were e-dead
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